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Posted on 07/06/2010 6:54:33 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
It’s very easy, and very wrong, to twist the other guy’s foundational documents so they appear to say something that nobody who actually follows that belief system actually believes.
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I agree, but it is ‘group X’ that twists their own ‘foundational documents’ rather than those who expose things they would rather keep hidden.
Group X tends to project their behavior on the ‘anti Group x’ people,, in my experience.
BTW, the comment wasn’t made to me, it was made to over 200 people and made more than one semester. It is a common teaching.
I gather that you prefer fire to ice in religious debate and therefore mix things up to that end.
If that is so, you might consider posting the warning that our dear brother in Christ, hosepipe, used to use as a tagline (paraphrased): "WARNING: this post may be laced with hyperbole."
My style of posting on the Religion Forum is to use the least number of words I can interspersed between excerpts from Scripture.
The reason is simple. God's words are enlivening and powerful, spirit and life. The words of men are neither spirit nor life.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:27
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. – Matt 4:4
Give us this day our daily bread. – Matt 6:11
I am that bread of life. – John 6:48
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. – John 6:63
God gives the messangers of His word very thick skin. :)
On an unrelated topic...but your statement reminded me of it. Has anyone ever heard the statement, “From God’s Lips to Yours” and what would it mean?
Is it?
Note that I use "Group X", rather than any specific religious group. From the other guy's perspective, YOU'RE "Group X".
Note also that I'm not accusing any particular person, or particular group, of any particular malfeasance. Rather, I am suggesting that folks engage in careful examination of their own consciences, and that they seek to moderate their own behaviour. I believe that's the point of this thread ...
How do you know what Paul and Timothy said?
The "OPEN" threads are clearly labeled...
"Open threads are a town square. Antagonism though not encouraged, should be expected
Posters may argue for or against beliefs of any kind. They may tear down other’s beliefs. They may ridicule.
Like the Smoky Backroom, the conversation may be offensive to some."
The constant expectation of seeing "closed" thread rules governing "open" threads leads to threads labeled On intemperate and indiscreet zeal. (The Primary Fault of many Religion Forum posters) when in fact the primary fault may instead be that of an incomplete understanding of or unwillingness to abide by forum rules.
Expect an Executive Order from Obama demanding more "Kumbaya" in all things, but I will wait for the Executive Order from Jim Robinson before I begin to censor myself on FR to suit those who proselytize for it.
Oh?
How does one DISCRIMINATE between INtemperate & temperate?
How does one DISCRIMINATE between INdiscreet & discreet?
What?
13 pages and NO 'solution'?
You really should NOT refer to the FR Mormon posters this way: They get upset and call you a Hateful bigot!
Brian, Protestants hold everything to the light of scripture..mens words only have value if they reflect Gods words..
That is why we bring our bibles to church..we hold the Pastors to that same principle..
We check their quotes and look at the scriptures he uses in context.. we would do no less with any writing.. the inability to support spiritual teachings with Gods word diminishes its authority and it diminishes the authority of the writers here
THX1138
Not only that, we are not called to yoke ourselves to unbelievers. It would be a farce to pretend otherwise. We are told to be ready to preach the Gospel. In season and out. And stand in truth, not sit in quiet disagreement.
This bears repeating.
“Your flesh will burn in hell for eternity unless you take Jesus as your savior”
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Unquestionably true, except for the word ‘flesh.’
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“and vow that every word written in the King James bible is sacrosanct dogma directly from God.”
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There can be no doubt that the KJV was a relevation from God for the people of that day, but God doesn’t deal in ‘dogma’ and there has been considerable unsealing of prophecy since then, leaving portions of the KJV as translated somewhat deficient in those areas.
How much can one ask? It probably led more people to the Lord over its reign than any other Bible text.
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My point is that they CAN be exclusive and that any a priori claim of equality to the wisdom of God can and should be open to critical examination. There are a lot of materials written by "spiritual masters" today. Christians are directed IMHO to weigh these writings to see if they really contain the wisdom of God or the 'wisdom of man'. I think you and I could come up with many such writings where the wisdom of these "spiritual masters" is seriously at odds with scriptural teachings on the subject.
If it is, and your comment leads to that conclusion, then you have a problem with St Paul, who told Timothy to take what he (Paul) and taught him (Timothy) and deliver it to "faithful men."
One could try to make that comparison - but it is a flawed dilemma because Paul's teachings to Timothy included those things later consolidated into the NT as scripture. Timothy had the benefit of learning from a source, a situation that we are unable to repeat except through study of the NT writings. So if one has a problem with Paul, then one would likely have a problem with Paul's writings. I cannot see that Paul would have taught Timothy anything different than what was canonized. The writings of these other "spiritual masters" do not even approach those of Paul and the others in the NT.
John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
I too have LDS that I like and consider FRiends ..If we did not love people we would be indifferent to their eternal destination .
There will be no such order from me. I think our Religion Moderator is doing a suburb job. Damn the naysayers, full speed ahead!!
And it was hilarious!
“The Word of God Himself gave the Church the power to remit sins.”
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This would appear on its face, to be a simple reading comprehension problem.
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