Posted on 07/02/2010 4:43:38 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
Well known and admired 108 year old Rabbi reveals the Messiah's name!
Do you have a source for that info or was it all your own Biblical digging?
WRONG YET AGAIN.
We just happen to know that GOD ALMIGHTY HAD ABSOLUTELY 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% CLUELESSNESS ABOUT WHAT THE WHOLE WORLD MEANT IN EVERY ERA OF HISTORY--INCLUDING THE NT DOWN EVERY YEAR TO THIS ONE.
HINT.
FOR GOD, OMNISCIENT GOD, ALL KNOWING GOD ALMIGHTY
THE WHOLE WORLD . . . DRUM ROLL . . . MEANT AND MEANS THE WHOLE WORLD! DOH!
WELL PUT.
UNMITIGATEDLY WRONG YET AGAIN.
Are you going for an FR record of being wrong?
Scripture says
that
those who earnestly SEEK THE LORD, SHALL FIND HIM.
Jesus has been manifesting HIMSELF in dreams, visions and visitations to 100’s, if not thousands of Muslims in our era—the authentic Jesus. He tells them to learn of HIM IN THE BIBLE. Many have never heard of HIM even though HE is mentioned in the Koran. They have to do some research to get a Bible at great risk to their lives and to maintain their faith in the one who showed HIMSELF to them.
Why wouldn’t Jesus do something similar to a very devout Rabbi of HIS OWN Children of Jacob?
Actually, the evidence I’ve been reading hereon convinces me overwhelmingly of the opposite.
But the word “world” as it had meaning to people in Jesus’ time is irrelevant because the Antichrist, who is a future dictator, will rule over the entire globe, not the Roman Empire.
So the meaning of the word “world” as it was understood by the people in Jesus’ day could not be more meaningless.
But you’re more intent on trying to smear me than you are in thinking these things through.
This isn’t about you. It’s about a false belief system. And the belief system needs to be not only smeared, but snuffed out of existence altogether.
INDEED. WELL PUT.
LOL!!! I’m not confused in the least, let me assure you.
Scripture is only ever out of context when it contradicts the belief systems of those who cannot validate their beliefs with Scripture.
The Bible nukes preterism. It’s as simple as that. And the Scripture listed blows your “Antichrist was Nero, Antichrist was Caesar, Antichrist was whoever I need it to be at any given moment” theories out of the water.
INDEED.
It’s amazing to me . . . what clueless fierceness such “Christians” exhibit in maintaining such a death grip on exactly the sort of Christianity that is tolerable to the Communist Party members in China and other such regions.
The Party cannot abide teaching about CHRIST’S 2ND COMING, MIRACLES, SPEAKING IN TONGUES, DISPENSATIONALISM. Yet it’s fairly comfortable with Preterism and REPLACEMENTARIANISM LITE.
I wonder if some such Preterist naysayers are trolls for the globalist Communist oligarchy hereon.
And I bet not one of the myriad of passages quoted in that post has ever been read or understood in context by any of you. Let’s take one for example:
“He will confirm a covenant for 7 years - Daniel 9:27”
This is so blatantly pulled out of context it’s laughable!
Here’s what the passage says:
24 “Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.
25 “Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.
26 “And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.” Daniel 9:24-27 (NKJV)
The antecedent noun to which the pronoun “he” refers to is Messiah, NOT “the prince.” “The people” is the subject of the independent clause that immediately precedes “He”, so “he” cannot refer to the plural “people”, neither can it refer to the object of the propositional phrase “of the prince.”
The covenant Messiah confirmed for the “one week” (in which He was actually crucified) was this:
“I, the Lord, have called You [Christ] in righteousness, And will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the Gentiles, To open blind eyes, To bring out prisoners from the prison, Those who sit in darkness from the prison house. I am the Lord, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images.
Isaiah 42:6-8 (NKJV)
That is the covenant Messiah confirmed by His coming. And He further strengthened it by shedding His own blood:
27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Matthew 26:27-28 (NKJV)
Daniel 9:27 doesn’t even begin to discuss any so-called anti-Christ. You’ve all been fed a lie by people profiting from your ignorance of scripture.
INDEED.
ONE WOULD THINK
that bright, conservative FREEPER “CHRISTIANS”
would know that by about age 6, 7 or 8!
Actually, that is how it works. Those who make big claims need to make their case. For thousands of years, no one has interpreted "this generation" as "that generation" until Dispensationalism came along. Now Dispensationalists just assert their wild claims as truth and then wave off the millennia of scholarly research that confirms that "this generation" means, quite literally, "this generation".
But Dispensationalists are special. Since their promoters are largely unskilled, and illiterate in terms of the original languages, theology, doctrine, literary forms, culture et al, we can't expect coherent and reasonable answers. We are expected to answer the fool according to his folly, and this folly is horrible hermaneutics and unsubtantiated claims.
When Jesus Christ said "Assuredly, I say to you..." (v34) Dispensationalists, without any support whatsoever say that Jesus really meant "Assuredly I say to Americans thousands of years from now". When our LORD said "this generation", Dispensationalists, without any support whatsoever demand that Jesus meant "that generation [thousands of years from now]".
When we read in the prolog of Revelation "these things must shortly take place" the Dispensationalist declares by fiat that it really means "these things will take place thousands upon thousands of years from now" (1:1). When God literally said that Revelation was for "His Servants" (1:1), Dispensationalists categorically reject that and claim that Revelation is really only for the Reprobate (who already hate God and would never receive God's blessing).
The argument they make is total fiction. They claim that the word used in this passage, γενεα, can only mean "nation" even though "generation" has the article which means a literal generation of people, not a nation.
But here is an interesting fact. Dispensationalists admit through their own predictions that "γενεα" literally meant 40 year generation of people. Proof? In the claims that Jesus Christ was to return on the Feast of Trumpets in 1988, 40 calendar years after the UN formed the secular nation Israel. Their main evidence that 1988 was the year? Why Matthew 24:34 - "this generation".
You see, the fortune tellers want it both ways. First they easily trick you into agreeing that Matthew 24:34 means "this nation" so that you will interpret "flee to the hills of Judea" as not a literal thing, but have a metaphorical meaning. Then once you accept the bogus proposition that "this generation" can only mean "that generation", then they perform the bait-and-switch and say "this generation" really means "the generation that is living at the time the secular nation of Israel is carved out of the M.E. by the UN.". We are pretty far past the "40 years" of a standard generation. Then 2008 came by, and no return of Jesus, so the modified definition of generation = "sixty years" proved to be yet another lie by the fortune tellers.
What now? Are we going for 100 years? How about 950 which was the life span of your typical antediluvian? How many times are you going to let these Phalse Profits keep feeding you crap and garbage?
Personally, I beleive that you will easily scoff down whatever they feed you because you love it because its fresh, hip and doesn't require any biblical training. You can take a look at any calamity, troop movement, or weapon development and boldly declare that you are an authority on how and why it happened when you don't even have a clue. It is so much better to reject the Holy Scriptures as being the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and far more fun believing that it is a guide to identifying the antichrist and Day Planner for the Reprobate. Using Scripture to grow and be perfected is boring. Abusing Scripture and making parlor games out of Bible Codes and matching articles and op-eds from the NYT with OT prose only requires a fertile imagination and utter contempt for Spiritual Truth.
And your hatred for the Elect is well documented in this thread and in many others. It is marked by constant insults, slander and deliberate mischaracterizations - abuse that we rarely see even from the hard-core atheists.
By their fruits ye shall know them.
MORE HORRIFIC UNMITIGATED BALDERDASH!
I’ll take my understanding of Scripture over your purported brilliance any day of the year, year of the century.
It’s not really that difficult.
And . . . HINT—MANGLING SCRIPTURE ALL OUT OF WHACK
does NOT help even Preterists understand it better at all.
Dispensationalism has been traced to the early Church.
Try again.
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. remember ye not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things
And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time, for the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, UNTIL HE BE TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY.
And then shall that wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming."(2 Thess.2:1-8).
Who is the HE Paul is talking about? This hinderer of lawlessness? It could only be one of three things;
1.Government-but that doesn't work because Antichrist reigns over many kingdoms
2. the Holy Spirit? No. He will be here all through the tribulation and forever.
3. the Church? This has be it. It will be raptured before Antichrist comes and this is the only one of the hinderers of lawlessness that will be removed from earth. Raptured. The "HE" refers to The Church the Body of Christ, The One New Man.
The Antichrist cannot be revealed, and thus the tribulation, until the Church the Body of Christ is caught up to meet the Lord in the air, and thus shall we be ever with the Lord.
So far I’ve yet to see anything that passes for sound hermeneutics from the “frothing at the keyboard” crowd.
I do see a lot of ranting, raving, name-calling and other childish antics. But that’s beside the point.
What they don’t realize is many of those so-called “anti-Christ” verses they wall-papered the forum with don’t even point to any anti-Christ without first layering their own eschatology on top of them.
Their “proof” is the same proof that passes for evolutionists who use fossils to date the rock strata in which they’re found, but then use the age of the rocks in those strata to date the fossils!
In other words, their “proof” amounts to little more than “There’s an anti-Christ in that passage because I say there is” without any scintilla of evidence to support it.
They have become both the ultimate authority on their interpretation of the Bible and the ultimate arbiter as to what everyone else should think about it to, lest you be condemned as a “heretic of the devil.”
Creepy, really, how some people react when their beliefs are challenged. It’s like watching jihadists respond to that Danish cartoon of Mohammed, or when fatwahs were issued against Salman Rushdie for daring to print “The Satanic Verses.”
I dare say, I’d be hard pressed to pick some so-called “Spirit-led Christians” here out of a lineup with their Jihadist brethren, such has been their response. LOL!
“MORE HORRIFIC UNMITIGATED BALDERDASH!”
Prove it.
Since you don’t seem to be making your point with standard, all caps font, try the font tag in HTML. You could fill the screen in huge, bold, colorful letters and I bet I might even believe you, then.
{Hehehe.)
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
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