Posted on 07/02/2010 4:43:38 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
Well known and admired 108 year old Rabbi reveals the Messiah's name!
NOPE.
Pathetically ‘addressed’ in the loosest meaning of the term.
I think a Jr High student could make a better defense
IF THERE WAS ANY RATIONAL DEFENSE
OF THE PRETERIST/REPLACEMENTARIAN POSITION—
which, of course, there isn’t.
That site and that article are embarrassingly pathetic
—in logic
—in historical references
—in Biblical understanding.
They hold as much water as a wire mesh tea strainer.
I think that’s likely true.
However, I’m skeptical he would have left a coded message
UNLESS JESUS HAD VISITED HIM PERSONALLY a la the Apostle Paul.
SCRIPTURE SAYS THOSE WHO SEEK GOD WHOLEHEARTEDLY
SHALL
FIND HIM.
EMBARRASSINGLY WRONG YET AGAIN.
WE’VE BEEN AROUND THIS MOUNTAIN umpteen times.
We don’t enjoy the same tedium over and over in detail ad nauseum.
Just because doing so is child’s play
does NOT mean we feel like bothering with that child’s play every time some idiotic set of assertions are made by yet another Preterist/REPLACEMENTARIAN.
I think, Giovanna,
we need to find the best or write the best shredding of such a site and article’s idiotic assertions
with Scripture
AND KEEP THEM ON FILE IN A WORD TEXT FILE for repeated posting in response to such shallow drivel.
I have the Bible and reality.
Where’s any evidence at all that end-time prophecy happened in 70AD?
You’ve provided absolutely nothing to support your preterism.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED
NOPE.
WRONG AGAIN.
That site only presented very shallow, often irrational propositions with quick sand for foundations.
The assertions in that article
were devoid of solid Biblical foundation;
devoid of solid historical foundation and
devoid of solid logical foundation.
Again, I’ve known Jr High kids who’d see through that pile of farce in a flash.
I need to copy those links as the links vs the titles.
Thanks.
Since neither our LORD nor any of the apostles taught this, we need the Evangelicals to just make this up and assert it.
(sigh)
Why the Rebirth of Israel is a Sign of the End
sigh
Oh, I see that you are using CAPS, I guess that means it must be true.
What puzzle me Quix is why you are fighting two thousand years of your Church's teaching and have adopted the eschatology of your theological opponents.
You did know that Rome has been largely Amillennial from the very beginning. Right?
[Quixicated emphases]
http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/on-solid-ground
This Generation
DeMarsays[3]that the burden of proof for my taking "this generation" differently than he does is on me. This is what I demonstrated in the article that DeMar is responding to.[4] DeMar-as he did in our recent debate-ignores interaction with the details of my substantial argumentation and primarily just repeats "this generation," as if in a catatonic state [RATHER TYPICAL OF PRETERISTS/REPLACEMENTARIANS]. DeMar, held captive by his a priori allegiance to the preterist system, appeals to D. A. Carson who I had quoted. Because I had quoted Carson in one book, DeMar goes to another book and suggests that I should believe what Carson says there. If I don't, then DeMar portrays me as somehow inconsistent. Yet, if DeMar were held to the samestandard, I could produce many instances where he favorably quotes someone he agrees with, but would not agree with them in other instances.
Using DeMar's logic, it would mean that he should agree with all that the quoted individual espouses. For example, DeMar favorably quotes full-preterist J.Stuart Russell in his book Last Days Madness.[5] Based upon DeMar's standard, this would mean that he must also adhere to full preterism, since Russell held that position. Either DeMar is inconsistent when he quotes favorably Russell or he must believe, like Russell, in no future second coming and no future bodily resurrection.
DeMar quotes Carson's commentary on Matthew as supporting his view of "this generation," in Matthew 24:34, as if this somehow upstages me. It is true that Carson favors DeMar's view of "this generation" in the debate passage. However, Carson does favor my understanding that Matthew 24:27-31 refers to afuture event-Christ's second coming. Carson says,
Here are references to the Son of Man's coming angels gathering the elect, trumpet call, clouds, glory,tribes of the earth mourning, celestial disturbances-all unambiguously related to the Second Advent. It seems very doubtful, to say the least, that the natural way to understand vv. 29-35 is a reference to the Fall of Jerusalem. .. .
Daniel 7 portrays something glorious and wonderful, the end of the pagan emperor's reign; but a.d. 70 marks success by the pagan emperor.[6]
This is one of the points that I have consistently made with DeMar, that Matthew24:27-31 did not happen in a.d.70. Therefore, "all these things" of verse 34 were not fulfilled in the first century. In the debate and in my article,[7] I provided an extensive discussion of why "this generation" in verse 24 must be future. Part of the reason why is that "all these things" were not fulfilled by the first century Roman invaders. I have given an interpretation of Matthew 24 that provides a consistent understanding of the details of verses 4-34. Yet DeMar, blinded by his preterist bias, finds only what his system will allow him to see. We have in Carson, one who agrees with DeMar's view of "this generation," yet, unlike DeMar, is honest enough to admit that the language of verses 27-31 must reference a future second advent.
INCREDIBLE.
Yes there was. His name was Nero. Read Foxe’s Book of Martyrs. Again, the word “world” means something different today than it did in Jesus’ time. Back then, it meant “Roman Empire.”
WHAT CHEAP
TAWDRY
SHALLOW
IRRATIONAL BIBLE AND HISTORY MANGLING.
I’d be embarrassed even for my screen name to be associated with such irrationality.
THEN LABEL YOURSELF
So far, if it walks like a PRETERIST/REPLACEMENTARIAN duck, flies like a PRETERIST/REPLACEMENTARIAN duck, swims like a PRETERIST/REPLACEMENTARIAN duck, waddles like a PRETERIST/REPLACEMENTARIAN duck, quacks like a PRETERIST/REPLACEMENTARIAN duck . . .
Presenting a
rusty mesh screen sieve
as though it were a
lead crystal ice bucket on a silver stand
is MORE THE OPPOSITE OF EVIDENCE.
I'm glad I don't have to change the meanings of words to make my beliefs work.
When God said that the Beast will rule over the entire world, He meant just that. And God said the Antichrist will force everyone to receive a "mark".
Is there any evidence that the technology existed in 70AD to number everyone in the world, like God said, not the "Roman Empire" which God never mentioned?
Nero committed suicide. So the Antichrist wasn’t Nero. But don’t let facts get in the way of a good delusion.
= = =
INDEED. BESIDES THE VERY BASIC BIBLICAL
FACT
THAT THE AC MUST BE IN CONTROL OF EVERY NATION, EVERY PEOPLE GROUP WHEN SUCH PROPHECIES TRANSPIRE.
The Preterists/REPLACEMENTARIANS dance around that, rationalize it away, mangle definitions, mangle Scripture and mangle history to avoid facing that very solid Biblical fact.
All they manage to do is
—lower my sense of their integrity,
—my sense of their IQ,
—my sense of their Biblical knowledge,
—my sense of their logic skills.
—my sense of the size of their vocabulary.
Really impressive! LOL.
That may explain why chiliasts, on average, are demonstrably the most spiritually weak and theologically illiterate group since the invention of the printing press.
Seriously. Evangelicals overwhelmingly favor experience and emotionalism over knowledge and wisdom. From this abundance of often irrational feelings, personal Truth is defined and worshipped. Dispensationalism, particularly in the areas that differ from Classical Premillennialism is constantly proven to derive directly from charlatans, fraud and deliberate abuse of orthodox doctrines, hermeneutics and the received texts.
The proof of this is in the bounty of evidence of a long series of predictions, false observations and bogus prophecy that flood from so-called and lucrative "Prophecy Conferences", fiction novels, Grade-B movies and song designed to scare the Hell out of people, and use FUD as a replacement for Faith.
In a way, Dispensationalism's own claims mark it as the Apostasy. Dispensationalism, like its brothers in deception: Marxism and Evolution, came out of the intelligensia of Europe roughly the same time in the mid 1800s. All three had as its design an attack on Christianity. Evolution attacks origins and sin, Marxism attacks our on-going Relationship with God, and Dispensationalism attacks the doctines of Redemption and salvation.
Dispensationalism says that there will be a Great Apostasy which marks the last days. Then we are told we are just hours away from our LORD's return. So what false doctrine has emerged most recently that has steered people away from sound biblical teaching and has us all looking for this alleged Anti Christ? Yes, Dispensationalism is the new kid on the block, and has steered many people away from orthodox teachings and converted the Bible from being God's Revealed Word to nothing more than a magic book with secret Bible Codes and Nostradamus/Mayan/Egyptian "prophecies".
INDEED.
Do these characters “study” rubber ‘Bibles’
under rocks with drunken slugs as teachers?
Where, besides hell, do such crazy UNBiblical notions come from?
Sheesh.
Yes, I'm aware of major chunks of the Vatican edifice have believed Amillenialism for a long time.
Are you under the illusion that I have thought highly of the Vatican's eschatology?
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