Posted on 06/17/2010 6:28:06 PM PDT by Colofornian
Utah death-row inmate Ronnie Lee Gardner is set to be executed by a firing squad on Friday. Thirty-five states allow the death penalty, but death by firing squad remains an option only in Utah.
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Every detail of April 2, 1985, is burned into her memory. Gardner was in court on a murder charge when he tried to escape. An accomplice slipped him a gun, and he shot and killed an attorney and also severely wounded George "Nick" Kirk, who was a bailiff. Kirk didn't die, but VelDean Kirk says he wasn't the same active, cheerful man anymore. She says his final years were marked by excruciating pain and depression from a sedentary life.
His daughter, Tami Stewart, feels sorry for Gardner, but she can't forgive him. She imagines him in the death chamber. "He's going to feel that fear that he put into every one of those men. He's done. We've given him more than enough," Stewart says.
Gardner did get one choice: how he would die. In court, after being told he'd exhausted his appeals, the 49-year-old made his preference known.
"I would like the firing squad, please," he told the court...
...Utah's last firing-squad execution 14 years ago attracted more than 150 news crews from across the globe. They were interested in one thing: the method of execution.
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Utah historian Will Bagley says the reason this method of execution exists is rooted in Utah's history as a Mormon sanctuary. "I think we need to be honest about it. We have the last firing squads in the country as a legacy of Mormon theology," Bagley says.
Some early Mormon leaders believed in blood atonement for the most egregious sins. "To atone for those, Jesus' blood didn't count. You had to shed your own blood," Bagley says.
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Is this church of yours linked to the Presbyterian Church - USA HQ'd Kentucky?
The reason I ask is, IF it is, have you as an ordained elder in that church commented at all to Kentucky HQ about the fact that the Presbyterian Church - USA includes abortion as part of its healthcare insurance for churchworkers?
Did you know that $ going in the offering plate trickles down into X # of abortions for PC-USA churchworkers over the course of a decade?
Did you know -- at least in the past -- that when individual Presbyterian churches - USA tried to get out of being forced to be included in this network coverage, the HQ in Lexington wouldn't let them?
What say ye about these things?
placemarker
Nothing like a SWORD hanging over your head to get you to COMPLY!
Stay aWAY from MY grandkids!!!
Not yet; he's just sleeping, like BILLIONS of souls are...
I don’t care: CHICKEN blood; but GET IT IN!
Is the thread not open?
The gospel is so arranged that principles and ordinances are received by covenant placing the recipient under strong obligation and responsibility to honor the commitment
Nothing like a SWORD hanging over your head to get you to COMPLY!
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Must be a part of the NT your tradition men did not teach you!
Thus the severe consequences to Ananias and Sapphira, who deliberately broke their covenant and lied unto God (Acts 5: 1-11).
Acts 5
1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
Set your magic decoder ring to
Blue
17
810-CAP
Then enter the phrases “John a de longues moustaches” and “”Blesse mon coeur d’une langueur monotone”
It will all be readily apparent once you do this.
Have a good weekend
PCUSA would be my guess as well. The PCA is much more conservative (both politically and theologically) than the PCUSA but the PCA is only somewhat conservative compared to some other smaller, Presbyterian churches.
It astonished me that a Presbyterian elder couldn't recognize the difference. The lack of discernment was appalling which is why I responded to his post. I'm sad for him and the flock that he is supposed to shepherd.
The underlying concept of these people is very simple:
If you don’t hate Mormons, you’re not Christian “enough.”
Just a little something for you to think about this weekend:
My god’s better than your god,
My special book tells me so,
It tells me how to think, who to love,
And how my life should go.
My god’s better than your god,
He waits only for me,
Your name’s not on his list,
You are my enemy.
My god’s better than your god,
His book is filled with truth,
Your book’s all wrong you see,
I have all the proof.
My god’s better than your god,
His ways are just and right,
His laws are like a roadmap,
That guide me to the light.
My god’s better than your god,
Yours is weird and wrong,
I have never heard of him,
And he’s been around too long.
My god’s better than your god,
He’s all shiny and real,
Your god belongs in hell,
He’s not the real deal.
My god’s better than your god,
Cause he’s without sin,
You’re a heathen non-believer,
Not good enough for him.
My god’s better than your god,
Yours has a silly name,
And your book is stupid,
Really dumb and lame.
I will go to heaven
Cause I’m better than you,
I can do anything,
I’m amongst the chosen few….
Cause my god’s better than your god,
You have to say its true,
Cause if you don’t,
My god will come,
And make you suffer till you do.
Jesus said to MindBender26, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by ME.” John 14:6
Our hatred is not directed at MormonS but at MormonISM. That is a huge difference. It's the evil system of theology which we hate, not the victims of that system.
I'd be very suspicious about a Christian who claims to know Mormonism and doesn't condemn it.
It’s an ongoing issue in many places this day and age.
You really don’t have a clue do you...
I don't see any connection. I don't know of any church official that selected the manner of execution, but some have more information on how the selection was made.
What about all this stuff?
You have all been very carefully taught.... carefully taught to hate.
You've got to be taught
To hate and fear
You've got to be taught
From year to Year
It's got to be drummed
in your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught
You've got to be taught
To be afraid
Of people whose traditions
are oddly made
And people whose thoughts
Are of a different shade
You've got to be carefully taught
You've got to be taught
Before it's too late
Before you are 6 or 7 or 8
To hate all the people
your relatives hate
You've got to be carefully taught
Ask yourself one question; Would Jesus hate as much as you do?
Good night, good luck.... and good riddance.
You are all, with my pity, Internally Zotted!
Based on your theology, did your Mormon friend die in a state of salvation?
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