[Brian Kopp DPM]

Dr. Moynihan's article is posted in its entirety here: Solemn Latin Mass in Washington stirs change in Catholic liturgy

[WashingtonSource]

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[Dayman]

It’s hard to preach about morality when the congreation doesn’t understand the language that the mass is given in.

I’m glad to see that the CC is shaking off some of the old liberalizations of the past 50ish years, although going back to a Latin mass is not the place I would have started.

[livius]

“Transitional stage” would have been a better translation. And I think that is what it will be. Frankly, I think we will probably end up with a vernacular version of the Old Rite, minus a few accretions that had crept in over the years.

Of course, we could have done that in the 1960s, prior to the Novus Ordo, at which time I was attending beautiful masses in NYC celebrated with an English translation of the the Tridentine Rite. This was permitted, mostly in university and other parishes, and was not the norm...but it easily could have been, if all Vatican II wanted to do was to encourage liturgical development and not destroy it and attempt to replace organic development with a manufactured, protestantized substitute.

But Vatican II was taken over by people with other objectives. I do think the Novus Ordo will go away; BXVI tried to let the Tridentine Latin Mass come back, but he was blocked by the aging VII bishops, who also made the people hysterical with their biased ravings. I think there may at some point be a simple translation of the old rite (good translations of which already exist and were in use in the 1950s and 1960s) and this may be what takes root, although perhaps not under this pope.

[kosta50]

I don't see how there can be unity in shared liturgy without the East giving up it's 3rd and 4th century divine service or the Catholics using theirs. The 6th century Traditional Latin Mass is not even close to the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom and the older and longer version of St. Basil.

When the EP mentioned "lex ordandi, lex credendi," which is a Latin phrase routinely used in Eastern Orthodoxy, he was simply saying that the manner of worship is the expression of what is believed. He wasn't calling for a common liturgy.

Whether the NO Mass is a passing phase is an interesting speculation. I personally think it will depend on the next pope. The Catholic Church seems to take on a whole new outlook on things and priorities with each new pope. From an Orthodox point of view, there is something seriously wrong with that.

[Salvation]

Interesting title. I’ll be back to read it.

[Salvation]

This is going to be fun to watch. Shall I get the popcorn?