UFO Cults Are Flourishing in New Age Circles

A leading East Coast New Age magazine, New Frontier, recently ran a “dirt for sale” advertisement in its November issue. But this one had a twist — the dirt had allegedly been supercharged by extraterrestrials (ETs). It stated: UFO LANDING site radiates cosmic energy alters psychic awareness. Soil samples $5 + p&h.

Not surprisingly, the Boulder, Colorado firm that ran the ad did not respond to a letter asking for proof that there was something unusual about the dirt.

While it is not immediately known how many people actually sent in their $5, the appearance of such an ad is not unusual. Alongside all the ads bought by New Agers — peddling crystals, “power within” seminars, and channeling sessions — are news bits about recent UFO landings, announcements of upcoming UFO conferences, and advertisements from some of the nation’s leading names in the field of UFOs and the New Age. Some of the ads are placed by alleged “walk-ins,” people who claim that ETs have literally invaded their bodies and can be summoned up (sometimes for a fee) to share wisdom and Ann Landers type advice.

In short, more and more people today are saying UFOs have landed. And while proof that they have seems consistently elusive, it is clear that the phenomenon of UFOlogy — a fascination with UFOs and alleged space creatures — has landed squarely in the middle of the New Age movement.

What is behind the recent resurgence of interest in UFOs, particularly in New Age circles?

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Actually, they don't KNOW this for fact.

Sure they do. They KNOW IT -- as much as I "KNOW" that Obama exists. I get that from the testimony of others.

I'm told that this funny little box in my house actually conveys "pictures" of a real person to me and that I can "see" this person "Obama" -- but I've never talked to him, I've never seen him in person -- but I've only read about him, and heard what other people have said about him. And I've read that some other people "have actually seen him".

That's another thing that I KNOW works -- is that funny little box that takes pictures from one location and carries it over to me and shows me something that I couldn't see "in person". I have only taken "other people's word" on the matter, as I've never tested out that theory to see if it works. Other people have apparently tested it out, but I haven't. BUT, I KNOW that it's true, even though I haven't tried it out.

SO ... I KNOW that Obama exists, even though I've never "tested that theory" in practice at any time in my life.

BUT, I also KNOW that George Washington existed, and I don't even have that funny little box with pictures on it to "show me" about him. In that case, I only have references from other people who assure me that those "documents" that say George Washington existed, really are true. I don't know that from having somehow tested out that idea for myself -- and I'm not quite sure how I could "test it out" by mathematics and the laws of physics right now to prove to me that George Washington existed, anyway.

However, I do KNOW that George Washington existed, because I do think the "testimony" of many others (some who saw him in person at the time and who have written about it) are true. So, I do KNOW that George Washington existed.

BUT, come to think about it -- all those things that I KNOW TO BE TRUE, in my ordinary every day life, most of it I've never tested out, I've never seen for myself and I only accept "testimony" from others that it's true.

The only thing about that, is that I've determined that most of it is "reliable testimony" -- so I KNOW that these various things are true from that reliable testimony about many things in life that I cannot directly verify.

SO..., YES ... Christians do KNOW these things to be true ... from the reliable "testimony" from God and His written word. :-)

I still assert that most to all the available evidence taken as a whole

CLASSES ALL THE CRITTER 'RACES' AS HELPERS OF THE GLOBALIST TOWARD SETTING UP THE SATANIC GLOBAL GOVERNMENT.

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Here are some points that convince me of that:

1. Virtually all to all the "races" of critters reported on, have been seen with the more common races carrying out some role in the abduction exercises.

2. These are exercises where in the most persistent activity appears to be creating a hybrid human/ET cadre of critters with special powers. NO ONE, I've read, construes this cadre as being created to fight for traditional American/Christian values.

3. Forcefully and often painfully retrieving sperm and eggs from humans and/or arranging such hybrid creations

A) with tools;
B) FORCING copulation with ET'S--with and without mind control causing the person to mis-"perceive" something else going on.
C) FORCING compulation with a robotic machine--usually with some sort of mind control causing the person to mis-"perceive" though the mind control often breaks down at some point in the process or just after the goal is accomplished.

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NONE Of that is nice, Christian, Godly.

4. Such human mothers which are implanted with hybrid children have those children removed from the mothers in yet another abduction at the end of the first tri-mester of the pregnancy. A number of such cases have involved the mother having been checked with a sonogram THAT DAY with baby appearing fine etc. Goes to bed that night. Is abducted THAT night. Goes to Doctor next day and the womb is totally empty as the mother knew from waking up during part of the abduction experience or remembering it on awakening that morning--WITHOUT ANY HYPNOSIS.

5. Many of the mother particularly but also fathers have been shown their half breed children. Some of said parents get fiercely angry at the ET's at that poing and want to forcably--as though they could--take their children and protect them from the ET's. They are told the children would not survive under the parents' care.

6. Many times the humans are asked to extend affection and human warmth and emotions toward the children--evidently something lacking totally or mostly in the ET spheres.

7. Many times the humans are shown 3, 4, 5 as many as 8 or more of their hybrid children of various ages. I believe some of Stan Romanek's friends have even seen one of his hybrid daughters and asserted that the daughter looked like him. Stan has also met the other human who evidently shares some genetic parentage with him of hybrid children. Some of those children look like him and some like the other woman. And one abduction, he came home in her flowered ill-fitting night gown instead of his own clothes.

8. The ET's chronically lie in very self-serving ways. One of the biggest deceptions evidently included an agreement signed by President Ike and one of the main ET races involved in abductions big time. The government agreed to tolerate the abductions (in exchange for advanced technology) as long as the ET's furnished a list at the end of the year and the time and locations of each abduction. The ET's were to return the humans healthy and with no awareness of the abductions. And that the ET's were to keep it all hush hush.

9. Then the government found out the hard way that the ET's were abducting 100's if not many thousands MORE humans than were agreed to and many of them were not returned at all. And, there wasn't a thing the government could do about the ET's breaking their half of the abduction treaty.

10. An unknown number of humans are mutilated precisely in the same way as cattle are mutilated--jaw cut out, eyeballs cut out; genitals cut out . . . not a drop of blood left in the body. And all this without any anesthetic and the individual being conscious as long as that works.

11. Some folks assert that humans produce a brain chemical when terrified that some ET's think is a top flight recreational drug, to them.

12. All the technologies transferred to humans have long been under the more or less exclusive control of the globalist oligarchy--as President Ike hinted at in his famous retirement speech warning about the great DANGERS of the "MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX."

13. The ruling elite's whistleblowers have virtually all acknowledged that the ET's lie so much it's virtually impossible to know when they are telling the least fraction of the truth. YET, THE ET'S have convinced the ruling elite that humans MUST forcefully reduce the world population to 200 million almost ASAP in order to save humanity and the planet from utter destruction. Ain't THAT sweet!

14. The ET's purport to have created mankind by bioengineering. And, further to have bio-engineered ALL the religious figures of history, including Jesus. And, to have managed all the "miracles" with the ET's advanced technologies. And, to have 'historically accurate' '3-D holographic videos' of all the major historical events to 'prove it.' Ain't that sweet and soooooooooooo Biblical! /sar.

15. Quite a number of veternarians have been abducted. They virtually all report being treated by the ET's as the vets treat animals. . . . methodical, purposeful . . . not particularly compassionate--only interested in calming humans to make the ET's jobs easier.

16. The humans are often shown various future global disasters of various kinds. And, they are told or given the impression that they have been given gifts and training to help manage such future disasters as agents of the ET's. The picture is that of a cadre of quislings.

17. . . . seems like there's several more points that convince me that the known ET "races" are not on God's side--and are, instead, working in behalf of setting up the satanic global government. I'm just not remembering the rest of them at the moment. Sorry.

18. I believe there are a couple of scenarios that are their primary options.

19. A) THE ET'S have come to save us from ourselves; from galactic disasters of one sort or another--and a global government is ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED AND ESSENTIAL for any remnant of mankind and the planet to be saved.
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B) The good-cop/bad-cop game wherein one ET "race" plays good cops and another (likely reptilians) plays bad-copy werein a war with the "bad" ET's is staged and a global government is REQUIRED in order to help the good ET's defeat the bad ones. And the main objective is setting up the satanic global government.

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20. I don't expect folks who haven't studied the topic for 50 years to believe necessarily any of the above. Ignorance abounds. Willful blindness abounds.

21. Certainly there's tons of disinformation deliberately spread abroad about all this--to confuse further an already incredibly complex and confusing set of goings on. The Bible is clear that satan is the author of confusion.

22. Folks can certainly believe that ET's are going to save humanity in enormous inter-galactic ARK craft . . . if they wish.

23. Alternately, as all manner of "New Age" idiots have been convinced . . . the CHRISTIANS who are holding the earth back from advancing to the next level of advancement will be taken away in huge craft to a reform planet to get their 'faulty wiring' rewired and then to begin their 'reincarnation sequences' anew. Talk about UNBIBLICAL! Sheesh.

24. So, go ahead, if you insist, and trust the ET's who have demonstrated that a collie dog is far more trustworthy than they are. Risk eternal damnation by listening to demonized angels of light in the service of satan if that's your stubborn determination.

25. I've done more or less what I can do to warn against such--and by God's grace will continue to warn against such. DON'T TRUST THEM. DON'T TAKE ANY RIDES. RESIST THE ENEMY IN THE NAME AND BLOOD OF JESUS.

REALLY!

[NOTE/DISCLAIMER: Pinging this to a few folks who have requested that I ping them if I open up about more of my experience. I know I’ve not remembered all who have requested such. My apologies to those I have forgotten! I AM still working on writing it all out in ‘story form’ if you will - but some things in this post I am explaining I think are rather important to note. For others reading through this - take from this what you will. I’m obviously aware that in relating these things I am opening myself up to ridicule — I ask that any FReepers who feel the need to ridicule think twice as it will NOT do any good, or dissuade me from my beliefs. Indeed, what I WILL ‘listen’ to or contemplate are arguments that are FRIENDLY, or in the spirit of FRIENDSHIP and as my brothers and sisters in Christ. Ridicule is NOT WELCOME and will be ignored! As with every post on this forum keep in mind — YMMV!!!

QUIX: Please feel free to forward this to the ET list if you feel anything is of particular import, or to those you feel may be interested in this exchange. My copy is NOT up-to-date! (Sorry!)]

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REPLY to FReeper caww’s first post to me:

Since Quix already posted the Scriptures from the Gospel of John, I won’t repeat them in my message (have read through the thread after our exchange this morning now).

I will also direct you to Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians Chapter 6...

1 Corinthians 6:3 (copied from the NIV at BibleGateway.com)
3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

Granted, I realize that the most commonly accepted interpretation of this passage is that it is believers who will judge the fallen angels when Christ returns, but it DOES point to the fact that believers ARE able to discern whether or not an Angel CLAIMING to be OF GOD is truly OF GOD, or not.

Regarding your statement that “Our conversations are to be with God”. I couldn’t agree more. Like I mentioned, I’m not speaking of SEEKING the interaction, of SEEKING visions or “visitations” — blessed are those who believe WITHOUT ‘proof’!

Regarding your statement that “feelings can and do deceive us”. I definitely agree with that - up to a certain point. God created us with feelings for a reason though - PART of the reason is the ability to DISCERN truth. Our CONSCIENCE - or the ‘still, small voice of God within us’ - is also a part of the equation as far as feelings are concerned as well. I don’t think we should completely discount feelings we have through our interactions with others, or within situations we may find ourselves in — as you said we need to be CAREFUL, but we cannot discount those feelings completely. Indeed, especially feelings of something being ‘not quite right’, or feelings of danger should definitely NOT be discounted. I firmly believe that God gave us this ability to recognize when we are in danger in order to help us - a blessing of the Holy Spirit as you pointed out is within all believers.

I know from my own personal experiences that when I ignore these feelings or ‘intuitions’ of dread, or discomfort, or other such feelings I often end up in a worse position which is why I’ve learned to TRUST some of these feelings as ways in which God DOES communicate with us - through the Holy Spirit.

Guilt is another such feeling God gives to us - a way to determine when we have perhaps done something he does not approve of... Much in the same way as when I left the computer this morning to do my daily Bible reading that I was able to see that the way I acted towards you - saying that this discussion was not worth my time, and that I knew everything about you I needed to know - was WRONG! It was VERY wrong, and not at all in line with the way we are supposed to treat our fellow human beings, and especially the way we should treat our fellow believers in Christ.

You speak of how in the old testament times pagan religions there were instances of ‘entity sightings’, and that this can occur for people with previous occult practices in modern times. I’m here to tell you in regards to that - it is NOT just those who have ‘dabbled’ in the occult practices who have been shown visions, dreams, and have been ‘contacted’ in one way or another by the spiritual realm. I’m not sure how familiar you are personally with the concept of spiritual warfare - and indeed I am no expert - but, even the most ‘holy’ and pious of individuals can and will be tested by the forces of evil. To pretend that this doesn’t happen to those who truly believe in Christ I think is a very dangerous concept...

Indeed, Christ HIMSELF was tempted by Satan and his minions. The fact is that those who ARE the MOST devoted, and the MOST loyal to God and Jesus can be tested the MOST! What greater ‘victory’ could Satan claim than testing the most ‘righteous’ of believers and leading them astray and away from God? The Bible itself is rife with numerous examples of this being so in both the Old and New Testaments.

You mention religions of the Middle East, India, and the Orient and it being common to ‘see’ entities. I understand what you say and agree with you when it comes to SEEKING this type of interaction with the spirit world and that God commands us to NOT go through these people for ‘enlightenment’ into the ways of our Lord God Jesus Christ! HOWEVER, I will point out here the testimony of numerous converts from those religions TO Christianity that many times it WAS a ‘dream’, or a ‘vision’, or a ‘visitation’ that PROMPTED their beliefs in Christ our Savior, and gave them the strength to put away their old beliefs and come to know God, our Heavenly Father in truth. So, to say that all such visions or interactions are not of God - again I think that is very dangerous, and indeed could lead to people ‘missing’ very important truths they have been blessed to receive. Again we are (or I AM) NOT talking about CONJURATION or SPELLS - which we BOTH agree are NOT scriptural! I’m talking about a situation in which it is NOT SOUGHT OUT, but indeed ‘just happens’ - NOT through any Conjuration spells, or other things of that manner!

You point out that “God said that as that day approaches there would be things heard and seen which would not be from Him”. Why would God/Jesus point out that these things would be NOT from Him, if there weren’t things that WERE from Him in the first place? Why not just give us a clear and simple instruction to ignore all (as you seem to believe he has) because NONE are from HIM! In my understanding this implies that there are SOME signs and such FROM GOD, but not ALL will be — again we see that God, or indeed the Holy Spirit within us will be ABLE to discern the difference in some way... That we may be TEMPTED to believe they are from Him, but that SOME are not. He did not say ALL were not!

Indeed in the last days it will be more important than ever to LISTEN TO GOD, and to discern right from wrong, truth from falsehoods, scriptural teaching form non- or psuedo-scriptural teachings. If one believes that NOTHING we feel, or hear or see could be from HIM then how will we receive the understanding necessary to discern these things? Which is why I think that throwing out ALL feelings is dangerous.

You stated in closing of this post that:
“I just cannot see how people who love and know the fullness of Christ can possibly give attention to any entity form claiming whatever they do to an individual. Why would you even consider when we have Christ?”

I will speak from MY experience alone on this. You may do what you wish with it, and I can’t explain it all here and now - indeed some defies explanation. You state how can one give any attention to any entity form claiming whatever??? I am here to tell you that ignoring it is NOT AN OPTION!!! If you are TRULY in the presence of an Angel OR a Demon ignoring it is NOT humanly even POSSIBLE!!! It just ISN’T! PERIOD. Indeed, at that point you MUST test whatever it is you are being told, or are ‘seeing’. It might not even be possible at that MOMENT to “test” what you are told - in the 8 years since my experience I have examined what happened from EVERY possible angle available to us as humans. I have ‘tested’ everything I was told and ‘shown’ in relation to scripture and there is NOT ONE IOTA OF IT that DISAGREES with Scripture, nor does it ADD, or TAKE AWAY from it!

In my particular case I have even tested my DOCTORS as far as the possible PHYSICAL effects of large amounts of blood loss, heat stroke, dehydration, etc... And again, although these things (or at least one - the blood loss) were present as far as my physical body was concerned the other aspects of my experience do NOT match up with known psychological disturbances or psychoses — the FACT is that I even underwent a psychological evaluation immediately after my experience and the doctors that evaluated me did NOT find evidence of ANY psychological disturbance, illness or psychoses (one cannot be ‘cured’ within a day if there is a true psychotic break - especially without medication or other such treatment).

Granted, I WAS under an extreme amount of stress, but as I said — there was no EARTHLY PHYSICAL or PSYCHOLOGICAL effects that doctors could point to and say - AHA! It was all just a hallucination! And, trust me, I would have PREFERRED to be told I was just plain off my rocker!!! At least I would UNDERSTAND and be able to dismiss it. However, like I said I’ve examined my experience in EVERY way humanly possible.

You asked - what do they look like? I will tell you that it is NOT always some “being in shiny clothes” backlit with light, etc.. etc... That may be the appearance of SOME, but most assuredly not all. Surely you are familiar with the following passage:

Hebrews 13:2 (again copied from BibleGateway.com - NIV)
2Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it.

Granted, this is from the Old Testament, but it PROVES SCRIPTURALLY that we are in the presence of angels at times WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING IT. Indeed, even when we do NOT readily know it we are indeed being ‘watched’, and our behavior is recorded — how we treat others IS important for God may be giving us an OPPORTUNITY to prove our faithfulness and loyalty to his teachings!

There is more I could say, but this particular response is already very long... I will read through the rest of your posts to me and respond to them in a moment — I’m feeling rather hungry at the moment, and need to honor THAT feeling in order to think clearly! (Yes, that was a little bit of sarcastic humor I’m hoping you can appreciate! :-P)

I have to thank you though. In asking me to engage in this conversation it has helped me in my own faith. So, I always appreciate that! Again, I’m sorry I dismissed you so harshly earlier this morning.

ANOTHER DISCLAIMER!!! LOL

Please note that in the following part of my post above when I said:
“The fact is that those who ARE the MOST devoted, and the MOST loyal to God and Jesus can be tested the MOST! What greater ‘victory’ could Satan claim than testing the most ‘righteous’ of believers and leading them astray and away from God? The Bible itself is rife with numerous examples of this being so in both the Old and New Testaments.”

I am NOT claiming that *I* am “most devoted”, “most loyal”, or “most righteous”. In fact, part of the reason my experience baffles me to this day is trying to figure out WHY God would bless me with such an experience, and WHY would *I* be blessed to REMEMBER it all!!! The ONLY explanation I have is that we are ALL special to him - from the lowliest sinner to the most righteous. *I*, (I feel in particular), am NOT WORTHY of His sacrifice or His grace, but I have received it nonetheless!!!

As Paul stated, I would NEVER, EVER boast of how “holy” or “special” I am - indeed the most remarkable thing about me is perhaps my WEAKNESSES, and the ways I’ve been tested through my life. How I have kept falling down, but refuse to be beaten, and instead continue to seek God and ask forgiveness!

Indeed, one of the passages I read just this morning (actually yesterday morning now) speaks to the Angels rejoicing MORE when a sinner repents and seeks God than those who are righteous and have no need of repentance!!! (Would that we ALL were such righteous individuals to not need any repentance! LOL They are VERY VERY FEW such people on this Earth - especially in this day and age).

I also find it very important to point out that as John said in Revelation - true Angels of the Lord are NOT seeking worship from us! WE, as they, are ‘employees’ of God. We are ‘co-workers’ if you will... We are ALL - both man and Angel - ONLY to worship God our Father, and His Son Jesus Christ. John when approached by the Angel of the Lord fell down and began to worship this being who promptly told him to STOP! That we are to worship God alone!!!

This strikes me at this moment as one way to ‘test’ beings claiming to be from God. Part of the problem with the fallen angels is that they see themselves as SUPERIOR to God! I have a hard time believing that a fallen angel would STOP someone from worshiping them, instead of God! But, that is what *I* have interpreted through scripture so again YMMV!

Please understand I’m not saying to test an Angel by prostrating oneself and truly worshiping them! Just that self-importance is something that is foreign to a Messenger of God, but it is DEFINITELY not something foreign to a fallen angel!

I wanted to quickly post to you an apology. I know this thread has drifted away from the original intent of your posting. I apologize for that. I think some of the discussion this thread has brought about is rather important though. I hope you are not too angry about the directions this thread has gone in.

I believe that others who responded with various ideas regarding helping our fellow FReeper’s family are pretty much ‘on the money’. As others have pointed out knowing the SPECIFICS of belief of whichever group this person is involved with is VERY important in any attempt to get them out of what IS an abusive relationship, basically.

One must also be very aware that in SOME situations the type of psychology employed by leaders of various cults work against well meaning family members and friends. Another reason that whatever IS known about the tactics employed by a certain cult group is important.

For instance, if someone involved in a cult truly has come to believe that the leader is a good and ‘holy’ person, attacking the character of that person is NOT going to work really... Chances are high that the person they are listening to has already convinced them that others WILL try to impugn their character! (I hope that is understandable the way I’ve written it).

There are many similarities regarding belonging to a cult, and being in an abusive relationship. I don’t have experience with people in a cult per se (except a few JW’s I’ve met over the years that have come to my door! The way they looked TO me freaked me out! They kept bringing OTHERS from their ‘church’ to hear my testimony of how I knew Jesus and looked to Him in all things, and HOW I could know these things WITHOUT being a JW!! Like I said — SCARY!!! They stopped trying to convert ME, and looked at me like a child looks to a parent in some ways... TOTALLY freaked me out! But, further discussion on that is better left for a different day! :) )

Anyway, back to what I was saying... My experience is with family members who ARE in abusive relationships - including my sister who remained “loyal” to our adoptive father who was abusive. Sometimes it is NOT POSSIBLE for us to get through to these people. Sometimes the only thing we CAN do is express our openness towards helping them, and PRAY - Pray HARD that they will turn away form those leading them astray and be ready when they turn to us for help. PUSHING can sometimes make it even harder for them, and indeed may make them run the opposite direction!

I KNOW how hard this is, especially when you love that person deeply and it hurts SO MUCH to know they are hurting, and being hurt! Unless the person is a minor though - there is not much one can do - even though I know the temptation to knock some sense into them (figuratively of course) is there, as well as the frustration of not being effective in attempting to help.

As another person pointed out already - the person must WANT to leave. They must be ‘ready’ themselves, and must have reached a point where THEY have doubts about whatever they have been led to believe.

This is not meant to discourage, just to lay out some very real truths when it comes to situations in which we’d LIKE to help others, but may not be able to.

Others have also pointed out that knowing the specific group one is involved with is very important. There are those in various communities who are experienced in helping with these situations - others have listed a few such groups already on the thread.

IF there is a threat of bodily harm present THEN contacting the authorities might work. But, you’d need some sort of proof of the threats, or that won’t work either (for example if members of the cult were to leave messages on an answering machine ‘warning’ family or friends to stop interfering, and implying a threat a bodily harm).

I hope this helps somewhat even though I know it’s not much different from things others have already posted to you about this.

I WILL be praying for this person, and their family members though. That is perhaps the BEST “help” I can offer! God can do amazing things as far as opening one’s eyes to truth, and I pray that is the case when it comes to this person, and that their family may be reunited!

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