Resty can't, she's been given all kinds of opportunities with all kinds here. EVERYONE know the only thing that resty will produce are
Posted on 05/25/2010 10:14:07 PM PDT by restornu
From the author of Yecheadquarters Creation
Osas, My story so far....
If you ever wondered what doctrine is right between osas and no-osas, then you have come to the right place. Don't think that because I will be supporting no-osas, that I will have a bias opinion. For I have been on both sides. I was born and raised a baptist. Grew up being taught osas. I never felt bad about it until one day my preacher preached on this subject, and what he said made me realize that this cannot be right. His sermon was based on never losing salvation. But he took it to an area of sin I knew was wrong. He made salvation sound like a ticket to sin.
Now this in itself did not convince me it was wrong. But it planted a seed for me to research it, and I have. A lot of my research involved debating this issue on forums with both osas and no-osas believers. At one point, which was the most confusing point of my life, I was about 50/50 on what to believe. After being frustrated for a while, I decided to go to the source and quit relying so much on doctrine, and what people are saying. Why? Man can take you only so far as truth is concerned. Only God can lead you the rest of the way to find absolute truth.
So I prayed and asked for wisdom about this. My journey was long with many events that were placed there to teach me how and why everything worked out the way that it did. For I can only pray and hope that what I have learned, I will be able to convey to an understanding of most who read this. Why is this so important to me? Because in my journey to learn the wisdom about this, I have also learned that this doctrine alone is destroying the faith of every Christian in such a slow death, most can't even detect it. You might be shocked to read that, because you may be one who believes this doctrine. But don't turn away just yet. For if I cannot convince you to read the rest of this section after reading the first page, then I have failed. So just bare with me while I try and make a point on why I believe this is destroying the Christian faith.
Losing the fear of God.....
I have found that the main thing that keeps me in-line is the fear of God. It keeps what I say and do in check. Problem is, what fear can you have when you cannot lose the ultimate goal as to why anyone would become a Christian?
If I cannot lose salvation:
1) Why should I ask forgiveness? 2) Why should I repent? 3) Why should I do any works for the kingdom of God?
For if you cannot lose salvation, then none of the above even applies. Why would God tell us to do something but then turn around and make it sound like none of it has to be done? It's like saying: You can drive the car all you want, but never put gas in it. Why? Because it's not needed. So why fear God enough to do what He has told us if we are not even going to be judged, or punished for not doing it. Does God speak worthless words? Is God's book a worthless book? If osas is believed, then 90% of God's word would have to be omitted to make it work. Because all punishment for sin has to be omitted.
Why obey the commandments?
In the osas belief, I have debated many. I have found that the ones who take it seriously also will tell you that the ten commandments no longer apply. Why? One verse says that we are no longer saved by the law, which is correct. But being saved by the law, and having to obey the law, are two separate subjects. So does the word of God actually make a mention that the ten commandments are no longer in affect as to following them?
jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my Commandments. (Jesus speaking)
The love doctrines....
There are many doctrines that teach the love of Christ only. Such as some that teach there is no hell. Could osas be a modified version of one of these doctrines? Think about it for a second. Step back from what you believe and just look at the facts....
Osas claims:
Osas says you cannot lose salvation. Salvation with no conditions. The love doctrines claim there is no hell. Salvation with no conditions. So both determine no hell.
So what makes these two different but yet the same? The love doctrine applies to all. Saved or unsaved. It asks the question: Why would a loving God send His children to hell, or the lake of fire? Sounds like a tempting doctrine to look into don't it? But that's how the Devil hooks you and reels you in. Temptation. How? If you could live the life you want, and still end up in heaven. Which life would you prefer? The life that says we have to obey all these laws about sin, or the one where you can do anything? The anything life always appeals to the flesh, and we are flesh...... So for me to even say that I would not want this would be a lie.
The osas doctrine does the same thing. But it only applies to one group. Get saved and be secure. Never lose salvation. Do you see how the temptation is there? Sin all you want, your secure, you can never fall out of His hands etc....
Exalting the flesh over the spirit.
A doctrine that makes something more appealing to the flesh is what? A temptation.
Does The word of God appeal to the flesh, or the spirit? The spirit. Because heaven is the goal of every person that accepts Christ.
The Osas doctrine makes salvation more appealing to the flesh. How? If there is no punishment for sin, then what wins in the end? Is it the temptation to sin, or feeling you need to repent of the sin? Christ did not die on the cross for a covenant that is more appealing to our fleshly temptation, then our Godly need to abstain, and repent of them.
The God complex...
But, osas also has it's own judgement rules. If someone in their group should actually deny Christ, and decide to live a sinners life. How do they answer this? Well, he or she was never truly saved if they did this.... Really? At what point do we gain enough wisdom to make the same judgements as God? To be able to say, with authority, that this person was not truly saved, is to have a God complex. There is only one being able to determine this, and it is not us.
So what does that statement, so often used by osas, reveal? That it is by man's own choice to not lose salvation that we become secure in it. And because we think and believe this, what we believe makes us judge others as if we were God ourselves. Because security of salvation is our choice, so the judgement of that security in others becomes our choice as well. Osas is setting the rules for salvation for themselves, so why not set it for others as well.
You were not truly saved because you strayed, rejected and denied Christ? If we were not able to sin upon being saved, then this would be true. But I see it no where written in God's word where it says that we can never reject Christ. Sounds like a God complex to me. Because if you can make that type of judgement on earth, then who will be on the throne when we get to heaven? This type of judgement of another brings God down to the level of man. And therefore God would not be worthy to set upon the throne if man has the same ability to judge as He does. To be able to judge another as if we were Gods, also brings pride. And where pride is, becoming humble is much harder to do.
Talking to yourself again resty? Should have that looked into.
If G is lying prove it.
Resty can't, she's been given all kinds of opportunities with all kinds here. EVERYONE know the only thing that resty will produce are
“Nothing you have posted reminds me of the Lord Jesus Christ”
Yes, I can understand that, given that the mormonic jesus
was a created spirit who became a man, and later became one
of billions or trillions of mormonic gods... a cultic god.
I am thankful that nothing I ever post reminds you of the
mormonic jesus!
That also should tell you that mormonism is a dead end.
“Just because I do not recognized the philosophy of men
News Flash!
Mormonism in totality is the doctrine of man.
... No original plates for your book of moroni. You depend entirely on the testimony of a man who was a swindler.
... Nowhere are your temple rituals proscribed in any of your cultic writings. The only place they appear is in masonic literature - the philosophy of man.
... the mormonic verses contradict God’s Word, the Bible. As such, they are either the philosophy of man or satan.
... your SLC mormonic group is one of 170 mormonic groups and as such, is the mainstream!
pfft.
I don’t know who you are but for some reason you and a few others are trying to seek comfort with your many mantra’s
Mormonism: Save by your own works; Keep by your own works.
So that is what you peddle i know different!
?que?
Ummm... we are talking about theology, correct? The Bible?
Unfortunately, the truths you seek are IN the lines, not between them. Trying to read between the lines of the Bible would be trying to add to the scripture, which the Bible (the words IN the lines) says you shall not do.
The Truth is not outside the box, it is in The Book.
"You are a king, then!" said Pilate.
Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."
Please press one for English...
“I don’t know who you are but for some reason you and a few others are trying to seek comfort with your many mantra’s”
...Truth is its own reason - understood by those who know and love the truth.
...Truth is a comfort only to those who are aligned with it - to others it burns like holy water on a vampire.
...Truth is a mantra - it never changes.
Now you know.
Just because I do not recognized the philosophy of men
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Shame on you Resty for never reading the book of mormon...
No temple recommend for you...
do not pass go...
do not collect a back stage pass from Joey smith...
you and a few others are trying to seek comfort with your many mantra’s”
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Resty ya ever read the book of mormon ???
and it came to pass and it came to pass and it came to pass
and it came to pass and it came to pass and it came to pass
and it came to pass and it came to pass and it came to pass
and it came to pass and it came to pass and it came to pass
mind reading
Certainly unaware of your mental processes and don't want to make this personal. Although there are horrific problems with what has been stated, it certainly is not personal, as I don't even know this person. I certainly have nothing against them personally and don't want to imply that I do. Won't make that mistake again.
Being self taught has it advantages forces one into survival mode causing me to sharpens my discernment to think out of the box, to read between the lines or even to understand parables!
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The Holy Ghost trumps for the spirit of the Lord will bring to mind things said and things left unsaid the children of the Lord have ears to hear and eyes to see to know the things of the Lord and to grasp the Parables of the Lord.
Afflictions are blessings in disguised
Ps. 119: 50, 67, 71, 75, 92, 107, 153
50 This is my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me.
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67 Before I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word.
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71 It is good for me that I have been afflicted; that I might learn thy statutes.
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75 I know, O Lord, that thy judgments are right, and that thou in faithfulness hast afflicted me.
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92 Unless thy law had been my delights, I should then have perished in mine affliction.
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107 I am afflicted very much: quicken me, O Lord, according unto thy word.
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153 Consider mine affliction, and deliver me: for I do not forget thy law.
I'd like to buy some punctuation, Alex.
what is an anit LDS? :-)
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a very small mormon...
:)
So would I, but you know, being self taught I could not afford them!:)
what is an anit LDS? :-)
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Tennessee Nana
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