Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, --New Living Translation 7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.] 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9Pray, therefore, like this: 15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses. --Amplified Pray with Simplicity 5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat? 6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace. 7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this: 16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well. |
Mark Kirby: O Mother of Good Counsel, I am all thine, Most Holy Mary, There is no part of my life that is not open to thee, I want to be completely transparent with thee, Praying in this way, I can be at rest, |
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We don't need a go between between us and God because Jesus is that one.
Saying that Mary is a go between and an Advocate is blasphemy in no uncertain terms. She is NOT omnipotent, she is NOT a medatrix, she is NOT our Advocate.
That prayer by that man does not in so many words say *Mary is God* but attributing to her all the characteristics certainly does.
We come to Jesus on our own. We don't need to go through someone to get to Him.
Thank you however for admitting the truth about what the RCC teaches about Mary's position. But for the sake of your soul, go to the One who died for you, Jesus Christ. No one else can save. If you follow someone besides Jesus, you will end up in hell.
You said that you didn’t say that Paul was insane.
Your posts prove otherwise.
Vatican II
False Christs and false prophets can be very persuasive:
Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, [The Son] of David. - Matthew 22:42
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. - Matthew 16:15
Who cares what the church faterhs thought?
If what they thought deviated from the plain clear meanijng of Scripture, they were wrong.
And since it’s documented that they disagreed with each other, then which church father do you believe? The one who supports what you want to hear the most?
Jesus strongly condemned the traditions of men and constantly appealed to Scripture saying, “It is written”. He especially condemned putting them above Scripture like the Pharisees did, and when one interprets Scripture in light of church tradition, like the RCC does, then they are the Pharisees of the day.
Contrary to what the RCC brainwashes its constituents to believe, the Bible is NOT that hard to understand.
Was Jesus wrong for getting back to Scripture as well or should He have listened to the *church fathers* (Pharisees) of His day?
Very good Post,dear AG
Fer shur. And the premier idol is moi. And I am really a very disappointing god. All I do is make myself anxious.
It somehow seems relevant (piling outrage on outrage, but work with me) that May being a sort of special Mary month, our chapter of Lay Dominicans sponsored a 'Holy Hour' this PM. I just got back from it. In a "Holy Hour" the Blessed Sacrament is put where everybody can see it, and a few hymns are sung and prayers are said at the beginning and at the end. The middle 50-55 minutes are silence.
The thing is, to honor Mary, we gathered to worship her Son. Throughout the whole hour, the only Marian thing that was said was, "Blessed be the mother of God, Mary most holy."
Now since most of the time was in silence, it is possible that many were focussing on Marian Devotions. But when we joined in "set prayers" it was almost entirely God 'n Jesus 'n the Holy Spirit, and one shout out to Mary, one to Joseph, and another to "all His [God's] saints and angels."
What these Holy humble people thought were plain clear meanings differs from what you call clear-you would offer a good argument if protestants agree on what is clear-sadly you don't or there would be unity with concrete teachings,not believe whatever you want pluralistic Christianity
I didn’t know Jesus was a ginger
If Mary is a go-between, why did she say “Do whatever He tells you”, and, why don’t you?
This is funny?
And truly, from our first breath we must resist the natural man in us - that which keeps insisting we are the center of the universe.
I find the stubbed toe to be a great challenge. Even as I'm hopping around on one foot, faced wrenched in pain, I keep trying to remind myself it's no big thing, I'm not the center of the universe and turn it over to God. It's a "toughie" for me. LOLOL!
God's Name is I AM.
Is the little made up picture sacred for some reason?
Wouldn't that be kind of an example of being a go-between? Seriously.
Jesus said we have an advocate, the Holy Spirit. Isn’t Mary essentially saying, “don’t look to me, look to Him”?
One of the many advantages to reading these threads is that the doctrines of the Roman Catholic church have been viewed and discussed in depth.
And those doctrines do not comport with your observations, nor with Scripture.
*Does the word of God tell men to fall down to the stock of a tree in prayer; to pray to dead people who will then act as intercessors between the supplicant and God? Or did Christ tell us specifically to address our prayers to the Triune God?
*Does the word of God instruct us to call a pastor an "alter Christus" -- "another Christ?" Or does the word of God tell us if we meet anyone who calls himself "another Christ" we are to "believe it not" because "false Christs, and false prophets" are real and seek only to deceive.
*Does the word of God tell us to pray to Mary and to view her a "mediatrix of all graces" and a "co-redemptrix" when, in fact, there is only "one mediator between God and men, the man, Christ Jesus" who is our only Redeemer? Is it true or false that Jesus never once refers to Mary as "mother" in the New Testament, but instead calls her "woman," telling us that His family, His mother and brothers, are all those who believe in His name as Lord, God and Savior?
*Does the word of God inform us that the head of Christ's church on earth is a man who is "infallible in matters of faith and religion" or is Christ alone the head of His church on earth?
*Does the word of God tell us we are saved by our own good works and righteousness, or by the good work and righteousness of Jesus Christ on the cross, mercifully imputed to us?
*Does the word of God tell us that Scripture is the Christian's only rule of faith and practice, or are we to follow the doctrines of men and and an "infallible" magisterium?
After several years of reading exactly what Roman Catholics believe via their own posts and websites and catechism, it is more clear than ever that the church in Rome preaches another Gospel.
Behold, they are all vanity; their works are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion." -- Isaiah 41:28-29 "For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor, that, when I asked of them, could answer a word.
Vatican II isn't a dogmatic teaching at all.
No. Seriously.
Do you really need Mary to tell you to go to Jesus? Won't anyone else work?
Jesus Himself called people to Himself. Isn't that good enough for Catholics? They need Mary to tell them as well?
If they're not going to listen when Jesus calls them, why would they listen when Mary tells them what to do?
Couldn't they just follow her example without her telling them what to do?
Has the Catholic church got its adherents so brainwashed that they can't think for themselves and make their own decisions? They have to have someone do it for them?
"Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. " -- 1 John 4:10
No other "intercessor;" no "co-redeemer;" no "dispensatrix of all grace."
Jesus Christ alone.
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