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Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

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To: metmom
And yet the Catholic Church makes just that kind of claim for itself and its popes.

Yep. Faith requires and bestows courage.

2,521 posted on 05/10/2010 6:25:58 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: stfassisi
Why do you suppose very humble Saints throughout history disagree with what you think the Bible says?..

They don't disagree with me at all, they had no idea of what I would write or say! I wasn't living in their times :-)

Many of them were not really "humble" at all. That I disagree with some of what they say should not surprise anyone...they were promoting and expounding upon traditions that cannot be traced back to the Christ Jesus and His Apostles. The flowerly words that they used and the insistance they pushed are not "humble" in any sense of the word - worldly humitity is a cover-up.

Do you think you think God reveals things to you that were not revealed to Saint Irenaues,Augustine,Aquinas, Pio etc...?Do you believe God gave you intellectual gifts above these people. I'm not seeing this at all

I'm not in the habit of judging the intelligence of anyone; I leave that to God. As to how those individuals used their intelligence is something else; one can test the spirit by which they speak and write to see if it is conformity with what the Holy Spirit inspired men who wrote the Gospels and Letters of the Bible - if their works don't, then I question the way they used their intelligence. The spirit uses ones gifts regardless of their intelligence to bring forth the truth, and that should be tested by the standard God has revealed in the Scriptures. So, no, I don't believe God has given me any more intelligence than anyone else - we work with what we were gifted with, be it intelligence, insight, language, perseptiveness, or whatever.

ME: "Nothing I said about the teachings of Catholicism was wrong..."

I disagree with you.Why should anyone believe you?There is nothing much different about you than anyone else that opposes some Church teachings?

That' your choice. I don't aske anyone to "believe" me in anything - I just present what I have found out and let the hearer or reader decide; some decide con, some pro. As for opposing some RCC teachings, well, in testing them I find them way out of conformity with what God has revealed in the Scriptures. BTW, what you quoted from me above is deceiving - you left out the context I was mentioning, which was the teachings on indulgences and purgatory by the RCC: That's sort of important, right?!

Me: "I once approached the Archbishop's office and presented him with a list of things I found that didn't jive with the Scriptures, and he never rejected any of them, which surprised me and my friend who went with me."

What's to stop any nut from presenting a list to any Archbishop? It probably happens often from radicals who think they are some special modern prophet who usually misunderstands the scriptures
Did you have an appointment,because it sounds like you just approached the Archbishop without asking?

Mike, a friend of mine, and I called the Archbishops office and set up an appointment, but Archbishop Roach wasn't available as he was out of town, but the adjunct bishop said he like to hear what we have found wrong with the teaching of the church (we mentioned the topic we would like to get his views on). We visited with him for over two hours a couple of days later! A week after we met with him we received a letter...which I've given part of in some other post. Again, you don't have to believe me :-)

Mike and I were well-prepared for the meeting. We presented a 30 page long document outlining the teachings we found to be unscriptural and why we did so. At the time it was well-accepted by the bishop. But I do have to say I don't know if he passed it on to the Archbisop or not; nor if he saved the document in a file or not. That was in the late 70's and I started a publication directed at informing Catholics of these false teaching which was continued from 1980-1982. Did some Catholics accept them? YES! Did some reject them? Again, YES, which we expected. In fact, many Catholics attended the Home Bible Study groups we started. They seemed to be skeptical at first, but as the Scriptures were studied many changed their minds. Praise God through whom all glory flows!

2,522 posted on 05/10/2010 6:59:27 AM PDT by Ken4TA (The truth hurts those who don't like truth!)
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To: count-your-change

Time and culture do not necessarily excuse but they mitigate really lousy decisions.


2,523 posted on 05/10/2010 7:05:57 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Perhaps from a human standpoint.


2,524 posted on 05/10/2010 7:12:40 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Ken4TA; Quix; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ..
The problem with Scripture-only is that you are missing the primary teachings of Christ.

What has more authority than the Word of God contained within Scripture?

2,525 posted on 05/10/2010 7:40:28 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: metmom; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; hope; ..

INDEED. INDEED. QUITE SO.

SCRIPTURE teaches us

as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.

God keeps him in perfect peace who’s mind is

FIXED ON . . .

GOD.

Another focus yields different results.


2,526 posted on 05/10/2010 7:50:47 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: metmom

AMEN! AMEN!


2,527 posted on 05/10/2010 7:51:40 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Mad Dawg

Yeah, welllll . . .

As Scriptures have noted . . . God spoke through another donkey once.

LOL.

HEEEEE HAWWWWW!


2,528 posted on 05/10/2010 7:52:55 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Ken4TA

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

PRAISE GOD FOR HIS AND FOR YOUR FAITHFULNESS.


2,529 posted on 05/10/2010 7:55:12 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Cvengr

Tradition......

The Catholic church claims it is the only one true church because they say that God told them they are, and if you don’t believe them, you are a heretic who is going to burn in hell.

So there.....


2,530 posted on 05/10/2010 7:55:43 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cvengr

INDEED ABSOLUTELY.


2,531 posted on 05/10/2010 7:59:31 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: MarkBsnr
I heard some terrible hermeneutics in my days as a catholic .
And so have I. I cringe sometimes.

If the magistrum is the definer of what scripture means they are the author of those poor hermeneutics

I heard Sr Angela say on her show yesterday there are many ways to interpret the bible but we will not understand them until we are in heaven ... poor sister admits on television she does not understand what scripture says..hey but thats ok as long as she will in heaven

What a church failure when a nun can not understand the word of God..because it is that very word that leads to eternal life..the fact she can not understand it means she will never get to heaven

2,532 posted on 05/10/2010 8:01:11 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: MarkBsnr
Negative. Christianity teaches that Jesus is the pinnacle; therefore the Gospels are the core of Scripture, with the NT read through the Gospels and the OT through the New. Just as it is with the teachings of Jesus - the Faith - being the core and the Scriptures interpreted through the Faith and not vice versa. The Faith came long before any NT Scriptures were written, and in fact, the Scriptures were chosen to support the Faith, not vice versa.
That is why Protestant understanding is often so different from traditional Christianity. The development of the myraid Protestant faiths came about in an entirely different process.

If you can not read the bible with understanding then SAYING it is the core means NOTHING because you do not know what the Holy Spirit is saying in it..

Pauls letters were a part of the FORMATION of the church ..and they were scripture

If the scriptures were chosen to support the faith, they PROVE how far the catholic church has fallen from the original faith of the apostles and disciples..

In the scriptures YOU HAVE LIFE a failure to understand them means you are dead

2,533 posted on 05/10/2010 8:07:43 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Mad Dawg; metmom; Quix; betty boop
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

So, yes, eyes on the prize. I wish I could convey how the Rosary is, to me, ALL about eyes on the prize.

Of a truth, I cannot know what the other guy is thinking. But God knows. And the other guy might or might not know his own heart.

The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it? - Jer 17:9

At any rate, I choose to not judge the other guy because I cannot know his thoughts and intents, I cannot truly understand, and I don't trust my sensory perception above my spiritual perception.

For instance, two people can walk into the Sistine Chapel and have the same physical, visible reaction - but one is in awe of God inspired by just being there, and the other is an idolator enthralled by the architecture, art and luxurious appointments.

The following, for instance, has two different readings:

I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help. My help [cometh] from the LORD, which made heaven and earth. - Psalms 121:1-2 KJV

The one reading is that we should lift our eyes unto the hills and remember that our help comes from the Lord.

The other reading, which I perceive, is that God made the heaven and earth so don't think your help comes from the hills (creation.)

I lift up my eyes to the hills-- where does my help come from?

My help comes from the Lord, the Maker of heaven and earth. - Psalms 121:1-2

And two people may have the same visible reaction looking a photograph of a loved one, alive in the flesh or at home with God. But one is focused on God, thanking Him for that person. And the other is loving that person surpassingly above all else, including God.

In sum, we must examine ourselves and invite God to help us keep our priorities straight.

Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if [there be any] wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting. - Psalms 139:23-24

But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of [that] bread, and drink of [that] cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many [are] weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. - I Cor 11:28-32

God's Name is I AM.

2,534 posted on 05/10/2010 8:08:15 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

ABSOLUTELY.

ANOINTEDLY WELL PUT.

THX.


2,535 posted on 05/10/2010 8:13:52 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Thank you for your encouragements, dear brother in Christ!
2,536 posted on 05/10/2010 8:21:29 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: editor-surveyor

Tell it the way you see it!


2,537 posted on 05/10/2010 8:24:36 AM PDT by Ken4TA (The truth hurts those who don't like truth!)
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To: Quix
Thank you so much for that fascinating and humorous list, dear brother in Christ, and thank you for your encouragements!
2,538 posted on 05/10/2010 8:29:56 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: metmom
So, what specific primary teachings of Jesus did the authors of the Gospels neglect to pass down?

If the Roman Catholic Church claims to have written the Bible, then why did it neglect to put those primary teachings of Jesus in it? Why’d it waste its time with the less important stuff?

Do you really expect to get an explicit or direct answer to those questions? I never really expect such a thing, although I do hope that maybe one of the members of the RC/Latin led church slips up and tells us the true facts.

2,539 posted on 05/10/2010 8:35:37 AM PDT by Ken4TA (The truth hurts those who don't like truth!)
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To: saradippity
I wonder if you are aware that the word "Jew" never was found anywhere in scripture until around the time of the English translation of the Bible,I think it may have been the first edition of the King James version?

I believe this fact is very important as people try to use scripture to support their positions on what to me often seems to be political matters.

Are you suggesting that G-d's Chosen people
did not exist until the the days of the King James bible ?

That belief seems silly.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
2,540 posted on 05/10/2010 8:43:43 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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