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Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]
Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today the food we need,[a]
12 and forgive us our sins,
as we have forgiven those who sin against us.
13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b]
but rescue us from the evil one.[c]

--New Living Translation

7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9Pray, therefore, like this:

Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.
13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

--Amplified

Pray with Simplicity

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?

6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best— as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You're in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You're ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.

14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.

16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well.
--THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby:

O Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Perpetual Help,
I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart,
and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee.

I am all thine, Most Holy Mary,
and all that I have is thine.
I give thee my past with its burdens.
I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears.
I give thee my future and all that it holds.

There is no part of my life that is not open to thee,
no place so secret, or so darkened by sin
that thy presence and thy influence
are not wholly and ardently desired there.

I want to be completely transparent with thee,
utterly simple, guileless, and childlike.
Thou knowest, O Mother,
all my preoccupations,
all my intentions,
and all those recommended to my prayer.
Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart
and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix,
present them to thy Son.
Seeing them presented by thee
and held in thy maternal Heart,
there is nothing that He will not do
to give to each intention the one response
worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart.

Praying in this way, I can be at rest,
for thou art my Mother,
and all that I entrust to thee will be,
I am sure,
received, and considered, and cared for
with a Mother's love.
Amen.

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TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicbashing; exclusivity; focus; holiness; marybashing; worship
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To: metmom
Is that like transferring priests caught in scandals from one parish to another?

That is a shame that has been stopped.

When is the Catholic Church going to start putting its foot down about the abortion issue and stop refusing to serve communion to those who support it?

That is a very good question. God willing, immediately if not sooner.

2,481 posted on 05/09/2010 8:23:29 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: metmom

“If the Roman Catholic Church claims to have written the Bible, then why did it neglect to put those primary teachings of Jesus in it? Why’d it waste its time with the less important stuff?”

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LOL!
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2,482 posted on 05/09/2010 8:24:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor
“Are you accusing me of lying?”

. No, I’m accusing you of repeating an ancient lie that you’ve had pounded into your mind by the adversary’s minnions.

Explain.

2,483 posted on 05/09/2010 8:24:27 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Yah'shua (Jesus) was, is and will always be a Jew.

Jesus was, is, and will alwasy be God. Do not trivialize Him with your Judaizing stuff.

2,484 posted on 05/09/2010 8:26:05 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; UriÂ’el-2012

“the Judaizers were rejected 2000 years ago as one of the first two major heresies.”

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The “judaizers” were the entire church for the first 200 years or so. Then the corruptors took hold and ended Christianity in increments over the next 200 years. That was the birth of the “Catholic” church.
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2,485 posted on 05/09/2010 8:28:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: MarkBsnr
There is only ONE Elohim : YHvH

When He came to tabernacle with us
He was known as YHvH is my salvation (Yah'shua)

He came in the form of a Jew and He
will rule and reign for a thousand
years as a Jewish King on the
throne of David in Jerusalem.

Many believe in two or three gods
and others worship the "Queen of Heaven"

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

2,486 posted on 05/09/2010 8:33:43 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: MarkBsnr; editor-surveyor; 1000 silverlings; count-your-change; Quix; boatbums; RnMomof7; ...

So, the Catholic Church recognized the weakness of its position because of lack of Scriptural support, the very Scripture it claims to have written, so instead of adjusting it’s teachings to line up with Scripture, it adjusts Scripture to line up with its teachings, and declares oral tradition to be more reliable than written documents.

You can hardly get any account of anything passed word of mouth accurately for any length of time and you expect us to believe that the Roman Catholic Church managed to do so through a series of corrupt churches in its darkest period of Church history for hundreds of years?

I find a lot of Roman Catholic Church justification for its teachings very much wanting, since it appears that its mostly made up, and based on *because we said so*.

*We’re the true church because we say that God told us we are* doesn’t cut it with people who can read and think for themselves.


2,487 posted on 05/09/2010 8:34:46 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

This thread gets better every day!

What a testament to the extended influence of Satan the ‘Catholic’ church is.
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2,488 posted on 05/09/2010 8:38:20 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor

If the RCC did indeed write the Bible, why, I wonder, did it add so many things to it that cause it such grief now, like comments about Mary not always being a virgin, or Jesus having brothers and sisters and naming the brothers, or Peter being married......


2,489 posted on 05/09/2010 8:38:34 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

“corrupt churches “ should be “corrupt popes”


2,490 posted on 05/09/2010 8:40:00 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

EXCELLENT POINTS.

THX.


2,491 posted on 05/09/2010 8:43:02 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Mad Dawg
As I tell my wife often, it never hurts to check.

Yeah, I can sympathize. She can get stuck on something and never think of checking it out - but when she does, she's something else! And I'm the target...:-(

Taking things for granted usually backfires, and then it seems that one always has to get the hose out!

2,492 posted on 05/09/2010 8:49:56 PM PDT by Ken4TA (The truth hurts those who don't like truth!)
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To: metmom; Quix
I agree with your statements! We can argue against each and every doctrine that goes counter to clear scripture and IT WON'T MATTER! Some have made up their minds and no amount of proof will change it. This is mainly because of a spiritual pride that cannot concede an “inch” because it would mean giving up being the “ruler”.

There is also a blindness to the pure gospel of salvation by grace through faith. If anyone depends upon their own good works or merit to either gain eternal life or keep it, they are not living by faith in Christ and do not really know God nor what it means to be redeemed. All else is distraction and sidetracking - anything else that keeps a person from accepting the gift of eternal life.

2,493 posted on 05/09/2010 9:35:05 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums

FAR TOOOOO TRUE.

THX.


2,494 posted on 05/09/2010 9:40:26 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: metmom
I think a lot of the misunderstandings that occur on these threads may be because Catholic,in general, define the Word differently than most nonCatholics.

As a Catholic I listened to what we called "the last Gospel" often----"In the beginning was the Word------------" and a little later---- "and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us".

So to me,the "Word" was Jesus;what He said,what He did,who He said it to,who was listening to Him and who was standing around,or not standing around.

Later on,when I was about ten or eleven some of my neighborhood friends and I were talking about church,they were all nonCatholic and were talking about the Bible,gospels,scriptures and their lessons and Bible studies and it was during these discussions that I finally realized that my friends thought that the Word literally meant the Bible.

I found that very interesting but limiting and think it might be the cause of many of our apparent difficulties in communicating our differences.

2,495 posted on 05/09/2010 10:01:42 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: Mad Dawg; metmom; Quix; betty boop
The third is a conjecture and an argument of the kind: some people do it wrong, therefore it's bad.

It's spiritually perilous to love any one or any thing equal to or more than God. There is only One Great Commandment.

Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying, Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.

And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. – Matthew 22:35-40

And again,

Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. - Matt 4:10

We all struggle with idolatry because we are merely mortals, small minded and easily distracted. In the pressures of life, we might love ourselves or our spouse or child - properties, associations or whatever - more than God.

No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.- Luke 16:13

Thank God for the time He gives us to meditate and pray and keep our priorities straight.

God's Name is I AM.

2,496 posted on 05/09/2010 10:01:51 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
I wonder if you are aware that the word "Jew" never was found anywhere in scripture until around the time of the English translation of the Bible,I think it may have been the first edition of the King James version?

I believe this fact is very important as people try to use scripture to support their positions on what to me often seems to be political matters.

2,497 posted on 05/09/2010 10:09:05 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: saradippity

And Greeks is from Hellens so should you meet a Greek man be sure to say “Hello Hellen!”.


2,498 posted on 05/09/2010 11:03:45 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom
I know this is kind of a game, but where does it say "Modelled on [the lord's prayer]?" And, some to think of it, where in the lords prayer are "prayers and supplications and thanks for all men" as Paul says we should make?

How does one reconcile Paul with Jesus on this?

2,499 posted on 05/10/2010 3:21:48 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thanks.

Isn’t all this kind of WHY it’s called “straight and narrow”?

From the earliest days, from the Judaizers in Acts and the various factions in, say, Corinth, there are those who slip off the Way to one side or the other.

And, as I am fond of saying, Bunyan says in “Pilgrim’s Progress” (which I read in, get this, 1962!) “Then I saw that there was a way to Hell, even from the Gates of Heaven, ...”

So, yes, eyes on the prize. I wish I could convey how the Rosary is, to me, ALL about eyes on the prize.


2,500 posted on 05/10/2010 3:31:28 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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