Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
The theology in Hebrews is consistent with Paul’s and though it is copied down in a formal Greek style by some scribe, there is no reason to think another authored it.
Apology accepted.
Congratulations, you agree with the Catholic Church.
There are other interpretations of Matt 16:18 than the one the Catholic Church uses to justify the papacy.
Yes, we are well aware that the primary focus of modern-day Protestantism is to try to minimalize what our Lord said about His Church.
And whether or not individual believers choose to recognize that one can be saved and belong to a church besides the Catholic Church, is irrelevant. The Catholic church teaches that salvation is though it alone. All it did was make a few exceptions, the major one being for those who are what they call *invincibly ignorant*.
I would venture to say that the Church should probably clarify what they teach about this, it is obvious that modern Protestants have difficulties with comprehension.
For others, like myself, they consider that I am going to hell.
Actually, they don't.
the Bible teaches that salvation is through Christ alone
The Catholic Church has NEVER taught otherwise.
So much of Biblical Critical stuff seems based on the idea that a writer never changes his “voice.” That seems dumb to moi.
I once had a neighbor that was a prottie, a musician I guess since the landlord said she was a prottie tutey.
Wikipedia, Narses.
lol, lol if she was Communist we could call her Comrade Protty Tute Tute (George Bush called Putin “Comrade Pootie Pute”)
Yike-a-roni
One more like that one and I'm going to revive that, whatchamacallit, De Heretico Carburettor or whatever it is.
This is wrong to do.
I am really sick and tired of trying to "build a bridge" between Pentacostals and Catholics.
I'm not Pentecostal, but I believe I understand what you mean. I'm not much for phony "ecumenism". If a group of people are practicing idolatry I much rather say so than worry it might not be "ecumenical" to declare we worship God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
This has to stop, we’re getting a little too serious here.
Now back to our regularly scheduled pogrom.
So were there real physical snakes on the floor or not? Nevermind...
What I had asked for is a Scriptural reference wrt your statement that the devil must submit to the laws of nature - That, it seems to me, is not going to happen.
[...] that’s why the pharisees committed unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit by attributing Christ’s miracles to the work of the devil;-The pharisees were the theoligians of their day and they knew perfectly well that ONLY God can produce a real miracle-that’s why they committed unpardonable sin
It is not the physical manifestation that points to the Spirit, but His nature:
Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
Mar 3:23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
Mar 3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Mar 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
Mar 3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
Mar 3:27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
(e-sword: KJV)
... And by the way no is arguing against the Miracle of Moses-it was the work of God-not Moses
I know that - That is why I said:
No, it seems rather sure that God's miracle through Moses defeated the miracle performed by the minions of Satan (Pharaoh's magi), else there would be no need for the eating. One could just walk over and pass a hand through the illusion to prove it false, then and there. Contest over. src
Enjoy your defense of the devil,it’s very telling by the other comments you make
May God bless you for your concern.
pogram will work too.
[No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.- Luke 16:13]
Mammon being things sacrificed to idols, even money.. is a cornucopia of things...
One man's idol is another man's Holy(reverenced) Thing..
All or many on this planet seek God with whatever they have to seek him with..
The Cargo Cultists are as serious as a heart attack... as are the "other" Animists..
Without the Holy Spirit to decrypt it all for you we are all swimming in Mammon Soup..
Some with "christian" flavoring.. others with Buddhist overtones.. yet others with Intellectual Hot Sauce.. with scientific croutons..
Then your popes aren’t because they specified the Roman Catholic church.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2503880/posts?page=1694#1694
And more .....
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9907chap.asp
“A special case is the application of vincible and invincible ignorance to salvation. Failure to embrace the Christian faith (infidelity), total repudiation of the Christian faith (apostasy), and the post-baptismal obstinate denial or willful doubt of particular teachings of the Catholic faith (heresy) are objectively grave sins against the virtue of faith. Like any other grave sins, if they are committed with adequate knowledge and deliberate consent, they become mortal sins and will deprive one of salvation.”
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mm: For others, like myself, they consider that I am going to hell.
wb: Actually, they don’t.
Actually some of the posters you’ve pinged have told me no less.
That's kinda' what I thought would be the case... Sorry I missed this yesterday... I go down in my pings to where I left off last, so that I can reply to them in order. I simply hadn't gotten to yours till now. Catching up... here I come :D
by-passing Purgatory? must be the fast-track. Like the guy said, Where are we going and what’s with this handbasket?
Do not pass *Go*......
And yet RC's bow down, or kneel, in front of statues of Mary with the expectation that their prayers will be heard by her and receive special treatment if she so wills. This is ascribing god like powers to her.
Ex.34:17 You shall make no molded gods for yourselves.
This is what the statues of Mary are and the grotto's RC's flock to seeking her intercession on their behalf.
“The resurrected Jesus is STILL the Son of Mary. The Bible assures us that the evidence of Jesus’ time on earth is preserved in that resurrected body in that He showed the nailprints and scars. If Jesus remembers that, then He remembers His earthly mother.”
“Yo, Joe, your earthly wife asked me to remind you to pray for her.”
“Joe, not being omniscient would have little likelihood of knowing his wife’s prayer, but no one says he cannot be informed of it.”
Pastor, that is a nice sentimental view of heaven captured in many of the old time hymns and Southern Gospel songs but I don’t think it corresponds with the way scripture portrays relationships in heaven. Believers are “reborn” from above. It is not our earthly pedigree that counts. Jesus gave us a glimpse of relationships in heaven when he said:
Mat 12:48-50, “Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”
or when he said to Mary and John:
Jhn 19:26-27, “When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own [home].”
It is the same with the most profound of earthly relationship:
Mat 22:30, “For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.”
There are no exclusive familial bonds between creative beings in heaven for Jesus occupies all of the affections.
Col 1:16-17, “ For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. “
Eph. 1:22-23, “And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.”
Honoring father and mother is a temporal command “that your days may be long upon the earth”.
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