Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
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7 When you pray, dont babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Dont be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, --New Living Translation 7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.] 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9Pray, therefore, like this: 15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses. --Amplified Pray with Simplicity 5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat? 6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace. 7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this: 16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well. |
Mark Kirby: O Mother of Good Counsel, I am all thine, Most Holy Mary, There is no part of my life that is not open to thee, I want to be completely transparent with thee, Praying in this way, I can be at rest, |
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Id like to print it for my wall.
The Disciples Prayer in Hebrew
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
None that I can recall, but I wasn’t positive.
I agree completely. The problem is all the nonsense that gets added on.
Not anything to build a doctrine on!
Exactly!
There is no special role for Mary laid out in Scripture other than as Mother of Jesus. She had no understanding of what was coming, or how Jesus was going to save all believers. She was by all accounts a good mom, concerned about her son, nothing more.
The only reason people bow down to statues of her and pray to her is they are stuck on the wrong side of the cross. They are still caught up in the belief that works and consideration from "special persons" is the key to salvation.
You know it's really kind of interesting. My son is on the baseball team and for home games they play double headers on Saturday's. The two priests that live at the school often come by and we talk. The RC parents are usually just quiet while we disagree. I think the Priests enjoy being treated as normal and I know I enjoy the discussions.
Those who are led astray into worshiping and praying to dead people. If it leads away from Christ, it's hurting people.
The Catholic faith is responsible for creating the fire in the souls of Mother Teresa of Calcutta, John Paul II, St. Louis De Montfort, St. Padre Pio, St. Therese Lisieux "The Little Flower," St. John Vianney, St. Joseph, and on and on and on and on.
Silly me. All this time I thought that was the job of the Holy Spirit.
They all spoke of their love of The Most Holy Eucharist and The Holy Rosary as well. Are ALL the blesseds and saints somehow mistaken?
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me" That kind of devotion belongs to God alone.
What is the Catholic church's obsession with canonizing people? What purpose does it serve?
Why pray to them and ask favors of them? Do Catholics not believe that God can and does answer prayer? Do they expect to get something out of Mary or other *saints* that they can't or won't get out of God? Why would they? If God isn't going to give us something through prayer, what makes ANYONE think that anyone else is going to cross God's will and do it anyway?
Why the need to venerate Mary and lift her up as ever virgin, immaculately conceived, bodily assumed, and hearing and answering our prayers?
Mary didn't die for us. Jesus did. She can't do anything for us that God can. We don't NEED her.
The Roman Catholic Church gives attributes to Mary that belong only to Jesus.
She was not conceived without sin. She was no taken into heaven without dying. She does not hear and answer our prayers.
She must be heartbroken to see lies about her spread like that.
Chapter 5
“1) But they were grieved. They wept greatly, saying, How shall we go to the Gentiles and preach the gospel of the Kingdom of the Son of Man? If they did not spare Him, how will they spare us?
2) Then Mary stood up, greeted them all, and said to her brethren, Do not weep and do not grieve nor be irresolute, for His grace will be entirely with you and will protect you.
3) But rather, let us praise His greatness, for He has prepared us and made us into Men.
4) When Mary said this, she turned their hearts to the Good, and they began to discuss the words of the Savior.
5) Peter said to Mary, Sister we know that the Savior loved you more than the rest of woman.
6) Tell us the words of the Savior which you remember which you know, but we do not, nor have we heard them.
7) Mary answered and said, What is hidden from you I will proclaim to you.
8) And she began to speak to them these words: I, she said, I saw the Lord in a vision and I said to Him, Lord I saw you today in a vision. He answered and said to me....”
English Translation at the Gnostic Society Library
The Gospel of Mary Magdalene
19. . And immediately “the cloud disappeared out of the cave, and a great light shone in the cave, so that the eyes could not bear it. And in a little that light gradually decreased, until the infant appeared, and went and took the breast from His mother Mary. And the midwife cried out, and said: This is a great day to me, because I have seen this strange sight. And the midwife went forth out of the cave, and Salome met her. And she said to her: Salome, Salome, I have a strange sight to relate to thee: a virgin has brought forth — a thing which her nature admits not of. Then said Salome: As the Lord my God liveth, unless I thrust in my finger, and search the parts, I will not believe that a virgin has brought forth”
Roberts-Donaldson English Translation
The Protevangelion of James
Found at “Early Christian Writings’
Placemark
"There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church, which is of course, quite a different thing" --Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.
The Roman Catholic Church DOES teach all those things about Mary.
I was raised Roman Catholic. I know.
You can’t tell me otherwise and expect me to believe it.
Name ONE.
Even if you dispute the Immaculate Conception, Adam and Eve were both created without sin, so that's out.
The Catholic Church has NEVER stated whether or not the Blessed Mother died. However, Elijah was taken into Heaven. Aside from the Assumption and the Ascension are two totally different events, the real similarity is that they both occurred by the Will and Power of God, not the Blessed Mother. So, that's out too.
Do you have any other theories?
She must be heartbroken to see lies about her spread like that.
So, you acknowledge that she IS alive in Heaven.
We have all we need in Christ. What’s the point in adding to Him?
Why the whole hierarchy of saints? Why pray to them and Mary when we can go directly to God the Father as Jesus commanded we do?
The Eucharist is not necessary. Christ died ONCE FOR ALL.
Jesus commanded that communion be done in remembrance of him. That’s all it is.
The Immaculate Conception.
Only Jesus was born without sin.
Mary is not co-redeemer.
She cannot answer our prayers like Catholic prayers ask her to.
I never said that Mary ascended herself. But there’s no Scripture to indicate that she never died but rather was assumed.
Why is Mary so important to the Catholic faith? We have all we need in Jesus. What’s the point in adding more?
I never said that she wasn’t alive in heaven.
What does that have to do with the Catholic Church? Nearly all Protestant denominations also have the Eucharist (and a great many of them believe a form of the Real Presence).
Jesus commanded that communion be done in remembrance of him.
Let's see what Saint Paul had to say about that:
26 For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. 27 Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.
-- 1 Corinthians 11:26-29
If it's a "once for all" why do it often?<{> How can a person be guilty or unworthy of a remembrance? There is NOTHING to discern about a memory that means nothing
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