Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, --New Living Translation 7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.] 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9Pray, therefore, like this: 15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses. --Amplified Pray with Simplicity 5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat? 6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace. 7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this: 16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well. |
Mark Kirby: O Mother of Good Counsel, I am all thine, Most Holy Mary, There is no part of my life that is not open to thee, I want to be completely transparent with thee, Praying in this way, I can be at rest, |
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LOL.
SIGH.
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IN GOD’S EYES, PROTTY’S EYES AND THE
RATIONAL-Roman-Catholic-et-al’s eyes.
Evidently that leave out those of them in the rabid cliques.
For one thing, Paul is not praying TO other believers for them to do something for him that only God the Father can do.
Here on earth, we can't read each others minds. So in order for people to pray for him, we have to tell our requests to each other.
Now, presuming that people in heaven to whom someone prays can hear their prayers, that person in heaven must be able to somehow be able to know what's going on here on earth. If they can hear our prayers and know what's going on on earth, then there's no need for us to pray TO them.
Now maybe they do pray for us, BUT, we are not and never have been commanded to pray to them for us.
So why not pray to any dead person then? Could be they're in heaven capable of praying for us and granting us favors like those who have been labeled *saints* are. Then I could pray to my dead parents or grandparents just as easily as to someone the Catholic Church calls a saint.
Why not that?
/roll eyes....
Not THAT old canard again......
That is what everyone resorts to when losing an argument.
Praying to Mary, or ANYONE else for that matter, is NOT instructed or commanded in the Bible.
If you perceive that speaking the truth is giving someone a *hard time* then you need to look at what you're really believing.
Read the Gospels and tell me ANYWHERE where Jesus commands us to pray to ANYONE besides God the Father.
Translated directly from the Hebrew:shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiachOur father in heaven
may your name be sanctified
may your kingdom be blessed
your will shall be done in heaven and on earth
give us our bread continually
forgive us the debt of our sins
as we forgive the debt of those who sin against us
do not bring us into the hands of a test
and protect us from all evil
amen
Why don't you? Catholics accuse those who expose erroneous Catholic doctrine as *hate*. Tell us what makes it hate and how.
The *you must have weak faith* canard.
It’s been used too many times and has no more credibility.
Show us where in the Bible, we are instructed to pray to ANYONE else but God the Father or Jesus. Praying to saints and Mary is an unscriptural doctrine and practice.
I’ll be waiting......
LOVE IT.
THANKS.
Can you post it in HEBREW?
I’d like to print it for my wall.
LUB
AND, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO BOTHER . . .
the phonetic transliterations for pronunciation.
Thx in advance, if you are conveniently able and willing.
Yeah.
SOME “CHRISTIANS”
Just happen to believe
THAT THE WORD OF GOD
IS
THE
MANUAL
OF
CHRISTIAN FAITH AND PRACTICE.
FWIW, my answer is Jesus!
THANKS.
I REALLY DO WANT to know how many will sign up for Whom, or what as their “ALL” FOCUS.
No offense intended, but why?
I've never seen anything in Scripture that she was given this kind of a role.
“Show us where in the Bible, we are instructed to pray to ANYONE else but God the Father or Jesus”
For that matter, where are we ever instructed in the Bible to pray to Jesus? He died to give us direct access to the father; that’s what justification and reconciliation is all about.
I realize it’s a bit of a bow to my own fantasy about Mary.
When I read the bit about her and Elizabeth, they just sound like two very devoted motherly types.
And, I think I had my own speculations and fantasies about aborted babies being matured and taught the ways of God in Heaven before I ever heard Heavenly Visitation narratives about such.
So, it kind of made a rosey fantasy in my own mind that the Visitation narratives sort of put a convincing cap on . . . for me.
I don’t KNOW that it’s Gospel truth. It IS plausible.
Not anything to build a doctrine on!
Where do you believe she is?
My youngest son is at a RC high school. We get along just fine with the priests. I don't call them father. I call them Priest, or Pastor. They don't seem to mind it.
That’s been my experience, too. At least with any worth their salt.
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