Posted on 04/15/2010 8:56:50 AM PDT by T Minus Four
Think of the Salt Lake Temple as a designer bottle holding a one-of-a-kind fragrance.
Think of the gardens and buildings of Temple Square as bubble wrap around that container.
Think of the City Creek Center to the south, the Church Plaza to the east, the Conference Center to the north, and the Family History Library and Church History Museum to the west as a firm, sturdy box around all of it.
When something merits that much protection, you have to figure rough bumps and bounces are coming down the road.
I get a feeling the LDS Church sees turbulence ahead -- nasty weather -- and it is making preparations.
It's not about being defensive and keeping things out.
It's about being protective and keeping precious things safe.
When the chilly winds blow, forest creatures gather all that's life-sustaining about them.
Horses in the fields cluster together to stand against the hail.
I feel the LDS Church battening down the hatches for bad weather.
The Tabernacle Choir, which was performing musical versions of Robert Frost poetry and other secular works, now releases CDs filled with songs of faith, assurance and the need to rely on the Divine.
I feel protection is the point behind the long row of sentries -- those Mormon temples -- that stand along the Wasatch -- the new Brigham City temple, new Payson temple, the new remade Ogden temple and all the others.
I feel protect precious things is the point of the new mission statements of LDS businesses, the point for books that are picked for publication and the lessons selected for manuals.
Part of the world would divide and conquer.
The church would gather and protect.
Something uneasy this way comes. Not a vilent clash as in Jerusalem -- where cultures fight openly. We won't be seeing stone throwers in the streets of Salt Lake City.
The battle here won't be about territory.
It will be about choices -- about the advent of a bolder, more self-indulgent popular culture.
The church can see the writing on the wall -- often literally.
And graffiti on the temple will never do.
It's time -- as the old hymn has it -- to "safely gather in, ere the winter storms begin."
The plan is not to force people away.
The plan is to keep what's on the inside safe from harm.
And if that means putting up ramparts and watchtowers, so be it.
Even heaven, if you believe the stories, is a gated community -- not to keep people away, but to safeguard the gentle hearts of those who dwell there.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- E-mail: jerjohn@desnews.com Jerry Earl Johnston chronicles his take on the Mormon experience in his column “New Harmony,” which appears on MormonTimes.com on Wednesdays and Sundays.
When you get through you can come and paint my house
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Resty, I did nothing of the kind. I dissected your statement so that it could be put into its proper context to show you the duplicity of JS’s statements.
He was a manipulator of many. Would you accept me telling you that you must divorce your impressions of me based on two different types of behavior, good and bad? I doubt that you would or could.
It’s important for someone to maintain a level of behavior in order for them to maintain credibility. JS did neither, but he then states that you are to ignore all the negative he did because he “wasn’t acting as a prophet” when he did something?
It’s incomprehensible.
If you can’t see the bias in JS’s statements, then there is nothing else I can do except to put it into its proper context for anyone who reads it and wants to truly comprehend what you wrote regarding JS.
Hi Reaganaut,
I am sure you understand that Latter-day Saints believe in both the Father and the Son. That they are separate individuals, but one in purpose. Both are perfect, both divine.
I don’t see a problem believing that. Jesus said “And this is life eternal, to know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent”. That’s what I and all the faithful Latter-day Saints I know believe.
Best,
Normandy
Best regar
I’ve been told that I have pretty broad brush. I’ve yet to find it though. ;^)
I am sure you understand that Latter-day Saints believe in both the Father and the Son. That they are separate individuals,
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Again with the polytheism, Norm...
“Firstborn” protokos also means primacy. IOW, Christ is in a special place in relation to the Father, being God Himself.
It does NOT mean that He was the first spirit born to God and Mrs. God or that He is even created.
A knowledge of Greek really helps with misinterpretations like this.
Do you also consider the LDS to be brothers and sisters in Christ?
LOL.
In all due respect step back can you not see it is your presonal premises that is the filter you are using to process.
The hardest thing to do is to be objected.
We can be exposed to hearsay and assume or submised all we want but only the Lord knows the heart and the mind.
Unless there is real facts every thing else is just speculation of what might have happen or not!
Sorry, doesn’t wash. You are making assumptions about me that you can’t back up.
If anyone is lacking objectivity, it is those who refuse to look at, let alone address, the facts presented.
You made the claims about JS, present the facts that would prove my comments wrong. The burden of proof is now on you since you made the accusation.
“Every member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints - every member is a “slave.” For Goodness’ sake, that takes the cake! There are 14,000,000 of us and you think we are slaves. That is crazy.”
Yep!
As much as every cultist is a slave to their masters. Watchtower Slaves, Smith Slaves, all the same. All with required works, required wallet checks, required acts to reach certain levels.
Slaves.
Mormons who are currently in slavery often don’t realize it. They justify every demand, while denigrating the grace of God.
Often, it takes some dramatic event to make a break with the Morg. At that point, their eyes are opened to the slavery they lived in - often for decades.
ampu
This is cute...
Someone said it reminded them of mormons
kid has a book report due tomorrow, but hasn’t read the book. “What were you THINKING!?” she’s asked by Mom’s boyfriend. She says, “I’m in middle school!” Mom explains: “She doesn’t THINK. She FEEEELS!”
http://news.yahoo.com/comics/stone-soup#id=/comics/uclickcomics/20100415/cx_ss_uc/ss20100415
“The hardest thing to do is to be objected.”
I object!
I am sure you understand that Latter-day Saints believe in both the Father and the Son. That they are separate individuals, but one in purpose. Both are perfect, both divine.
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If they are two Gods, then the LDS are polythiests. “One in purpose” does not mean ONE GOD.
I am sure you have a lot invested in LDS, inc. Time, money, and emotion (I did), but LDS theology JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE and contradicts itself.
I wish you could see that.
How many suns, Norm? HOW MANY SUNS CAN YOU SEE IN the sky?
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If Jesus is “A” God, then why don’t you worship Him?
LOL.
Hi Turtlepower, you make an excellent point.
welcome to FR and welcome to the RF threads, there are many of us who speak out against the heresy of Mormonism on here so there are many “mormon” threads.
Feel free to ask if you are interested in hiding these threads in the future.
However, if you wish to join us here on the RF, feel free.
Well, posting your creed is a start but it isn’t all that the LDS believe, it is just what they tell the public.
And even the AoF isn’t biblical if you look closely.
Then they are going to have to start wearing skirts.
Show me where I have stated that something was lds doctrine or teaching that wasn’t the case, hmmmmmm, rather than waste my time with a regurgitation of the lsd statement of faith. I could, time permitting, easily go line by line and expand the definitions to show the ‘meat’ of those statements.
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What really irks me is how deceitful it is to post the AoF and say that is the whole of LDS doctrine. Even the wording of the AoF is deceitful, because they way they word things and redefine terms adds a whole unseen dimension to the statements.
So, I have come to the conclusion that putting the AoF out without clearing up the misleading words, is “Lying for the Lord”.
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