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1 posted on 04/08/2010 8:15:02 PM PDT by truthfinder9
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I believe that every word in the Douay-Rheims English version of the Bible is complete, accurate and true!
The key words here are “I Believe” - so I'm closed minded on this article and I admitted it without a second thought or apology to the world!
2 posted on 04/08/2010 8:21:57 PM PDT by J Edgar
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Maybe the Epic of Gilgamesh was a modified retelling of the actual account of the flood


3 posted on 04/08/2010 8:22:10 PM PDT by slumber1
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It is a dogma of establishment science that the tale of the biblical flood is a fairytale or, at most, an aggrandized tale of some local or regional flood. That, however, does not jibe with the facts of the historical record. The flood turns out to have been part and parcel of some larger, solar-system-wide calamity.

In particular, the seven days just prior to the flood are mentioned twice within a short space:

Gen. 7:4 "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights;...

Gen. 7:10 "And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth."

These were seven days of intense light, generated by some major cosmic event within our system. The Old Testament contains one other reference to these seven days, i.e. Isaiah 30:26:

"...Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days..."

Most interpret this as meaning cramming seven days worth of light into one day. That is wrong; the reference is to the seven days prior to the flood. The reference apparently got translated out of a language which doesn't use articles. It should read "as the light of THE seven days".

It turns out, that the bible claims that Methuselah died in the year of the flood. It may not say so directly, but the ages given in Genesis 5 along with the note that the flood began in the 600'th year of Noah's life (Genesis 7:11) add up that way:

Gen. 5:25 ->

"And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years and begat Lamech. And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters. And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years.

<i.e. he lived 969 - 187 = 782 years after Lamech's birth>

And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years and begat a son. And he called his name Noah...

<182 + 600 = 782 also...>

Thus we have Methusaleh dying in the year of the flood; seven days prior to the flood...

Louis Ginzburg's seven-volume "Legends of the Jews", the largest body of Midrashim ever translated into German and English to my knowledge, expands upon the laconic tales of the OT.

From Ginzburg's Legends of the Jews, Vol V, page 175:

...however, Lekah, Gen. 7.4) BR 3.6 (in the week of mourning for Methuselah, God caused the primordial light to shine).... God did not wish Methuselah to die at the same time as the sinners...

The reference is, again, to Gen. 7.4, which reads:

"For yet seven days, and I shall cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights..."

The note that "God did not wish Methusaleh to die at the same time as the sinners" indicates that Methusaleh died at pretty nearly precisely the beginning of the week prior to the flood. The week of "God causing the primordial lights to shine" was the week of intense light before the flood.

What the old books are actually telling us is that there was a stellar blowout of some sort either close to or within our own system at the time of the flood. The blowout was followed by seven days of intense light and radiation, and then the flood itself. Moreover, the signs of the impending disaster were obvious enough for at least one guy, Noah, to take extraordinary precautions.

The ancient (but historical) world knew a number of seven-day light festivals, Hanukkah, the Roman Saturnalia etc. Velikovsky claimed that all were ultimately derived from the memory of the seven days prior to the flood.

If this entire deal is a made-up story, then here is a case of the storyteller (isaiah) making extra work for himself with no possible benefit, the detail of the seven days of light being supposedly known amongst the population, and never included in the OT story directly.

Greek and Roman authors, particularly Hesiod and ovid, Chinese authors and others, note that small groups of men and animals survived the flood on high places and on anything which could float for a year. I do not see an essential contradiction between this and the biblical account. Noah's descendants were probably unaware of anybody else surviving and wrote the story that way.

4 posted on 04/08/2010 8:24:57 PM PDT by wendy1946
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About 4,800 years ago, a large asteroid or comet impacted in the Indian Ocean, producing a tsunami at least 600 feet high. This may be the origin of the stories of both Gilgamesh and Noah.


5 posted on 04/08/2010 8:31:26 PM PDT by Rockingham
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The flood happened 11,500 years ago. It was the mother of all tsunamis. Great earth changes emerged and the mantle of water surrounding the earth collapsed. Water poured out from fountains within the earth as well. Continents collapsed. Humanity did not repent.

Now we await trial by fire.

9 posted on 04/08/2010 8:37:07 PM PDT by Armaggedon
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Genesis and Gilgamesh provide accounts of the same event. That there are similarities should be expected when describing the same event. Just because Gilgamesh predates Genesis doesn’t mean the Genesis account was copied from Gilgamesh.


10 posted on 04/08/2010 8:37:26 PM PDT by fso301
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It’s the other way around.


12 posted on 04/08/2010 8:42:02 PM PDT by Dan Middleton
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To: truthfinder9

Or is the Epic of Gilgamesh a bad rewrite of the biblical account?


21 posted on 04/08/2010 10:01:53 PM PDT by Persevero (Ask yourself: "What does the Left want me to do?" Then go do the opposite.)
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23 posted on 04/08/2010 10:14:02 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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nonsense.

Abraham was from Ur, and Gilgamesh was a pre historic king in the Sumerian region of what is now Iraq (same area of the world).

If the flood happened, it was probably about the time of the global warming/glacial melt about 10000 BC when there was lots of floods, and climate change.

So there is an oral tradition for 7000 years before they wrote down Gilgamesh, and 8500 years before they wrote the bible down. Both probably tell of the same flood and the same survivors.

Most Christians (e.g. most Catholics, orthodox, and main line Christian) don’t think the Bible is dictated by God: (that is the Koran) and agree it was probably a local flood, not the whole world (there was a catastrophe that wiped out humanity, but that story goes back 50000 years to where most of mankind was wiped out by a super volcanic eruption, if the DNA studies are correct).

The story is how God communicated with his people, and the realization that there was a good God who ruled over all things, not made up gods who were petty and destroyed men for the fun of it.

The Sumerian Gods were evil and disliked men; the God of Abraham loved man and promised that he would never destroy man again.


24 posted on 04/08/2010 10:23:46 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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“Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar.” (Genesis 8:20)

Typical of much in the Bible is things that the human mind cannot comprehend. If Noah took two of every kind of clean animal and clean bird into the Ark, and now sacrificed one of each, the human mind does not comprehend how the animals and birds would have repopulated the earth. Or the existence of pigs and carrion birds.

God is Infinite and Can do all things. It is not for us to question.


29 posted on 04/09/2010 3:30:48 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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Is the Biblical Flood Account EPIC OF GILGAMESH a Modified Copy of the Epic of Gilgamesh BIBLICAL FLOOD ACCOUNT?

There....fixed it.

You can thank me later.

36 posted on 04/09/2010 6:15:44 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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If the Biblical flood account is true (and it is) wouldn’t one expect other cultures to have handed down accounts of it which became mythic over the centuries? I think the fact the Gilgamesh epic exists enhances the credibility of the Bible epic.


39 posted on 04/09/2010 7:15:50 AM PDT by circlecity
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The basic question I’ve asked myself is this:

If there were a really, really big flood a long time ago and it left only one family, wouldn’t various accounts, even incorrect ones stem from it?

Sorry, Gilgamesh hopefuls.


44 posted on 04/09/2010 9:07:19 AM PDT by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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...you might want to see this!

It is quiet long, but an eye opener never the less. Digest it at your leisure and draw your own conclusions.
IMHO IT, has its own legs,and it is very challenging, a lot of "what ifs" and "Hm-mm" moments. Have at it!

60 posted on 04/11/2010 6:27:03 PM PDT by danmar (Life is hard enough, even harder if you're stupid! John Wayne)
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69 posted on 05/02/2010 3:19:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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I'll go with the Word of God...the Biblical account.

My 9 years of research on the first 11 chapters of Genesis leads me to believe that the Flood account was written by Noah and Shem, and handed down in the form of cunieform tablets...eventually to Moses.

72 posted on 05/02/2010 3:53:36 PM PDT by LiteKeeper ("It's the peoples' seat!")
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