Posted on 02/26/2010 1:08:31 AM PST by Gamecock
So I have a question about terminology.
Some of our Catholic FRiends get upset when we Prods use the term Roman Catholic, insisting that the term is derogatory, insulting, etc.
What I would like to discuss is why do Catholics complain about the term Roman Catholic, when the term is in such wide use inside of the Catholic church?
Thoughts?
You wrote:
“We don’t claim they are infallible, we don’t claim they cannot make errors.”
Are you telling us that you don’t know the difference between impeccable and infallible?
“Not everything they said was correct or even scriptural.”
Who is claiming it was?
“Some others, though, can’t seem to ever admit “their guys” did anything wrong.”
Exactly who? Please name someone.
“It’s as if to admit to it is to somehow let the humanity show - can’t have that!”
Again, EXACTLY who?
“That’s why I love scripture, it reveals all the faults, failures and inadequacies (which proves men didn’t make it up, else they would come across as pure as the driven snow, right?).”
And you don’t think that history shows “faults, failures and inadequacies”?
“And in spite of mankind’s’ imperfections, we have a God that still loves us, redeems us, leads us into righteousness and truth and welcomes us home at the end of our days.”
And in spite of mankind’s’ imperfections, we still have an infallible God, inerrant scripture and an infallible Church led by a pope who can teach infallibly, to help lead us into righteousness and truth so that we are welcomed home at the end of days.
How can logic be manipulated so extremely that the very process and organization that produced the compendium of books you call the bible is unbiblical....
Those who are Roman Catholics follow the Catholic Church of Rome. The others, the sister Catholics, are of the Eastern Orthodox version who do not recognize the Pope as head of the Church.
I don’t know any Roman Catholics who get their knickers in a twist about being identified as Roman Catholic.
You wrote:
“Since I am not a modern Lutheran, I am not qualified to answer your question.”
Okay, let’s try this: In the Augsburg Confession, section 11, Lutherans declared a belief in private absoultion after confession to their Lutheran ministers. How common is that today among Lutherans? Do you confess to a Lutheran minister? If a Lutheran doesn’t do that, isn’t he modern compared to the early Lutherans?
You wrote:
“I don’t know any Roman Catholics who get their knickers in a twist about being identified as Roman Catholic.”
“I don’t know anyone who voted for Nixon.” This was attributed to the flamming liberal named Pauline Kael in 1972 when Nixon won the elction by a landslide. Maybe she just didn’t know many people. Maybe she didn’t know the right people.
You wrote:
“And maybe some people go around looking to be offended by those they do not like regardless if offense is even intended. Yet some more mature in the faith are able to rise above imagined slights and get to the heart of matters, you know, the things that really matter for eternity?”
I don’t think your statement is logical. If it is an imagined slight then there is nothing to “rise” above. And the slight could very well be the heart of the matter. Look at the thread title. Is the slight the heart of the matter? Yeah, it is.
When I am trying to be offensive, I use the term “Papist” rather than Roman Catholic. I don’t believe that any Papist is really offended when Christians call them Roman Catholics. They like to exclude protestants from being part of the universal body of believers and this is just their way of being jerks.
We protestants should pretend to be offended at being called protestants by the Papists and demand to be called Christians.
From now on, it is offensive for any Papist to refer to Christians as protestants, Lutherans, Calvinists, Baptists etc. We only want to be referred to as “Christians”. If you can do that for us, we will only refer to you as “Catholic”.
Just read it first, and then tell us how it means to include Protestant heretics or any such.
The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans
You wil find in the Chapter named "Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop". Duh.
I only discuss matters with respondents who show at least a modicum of desire to address historical issues with a concern for truth and intellectual honesty.
I have no desire to play your silly games. Have a nice day.
As for my Lutheranism, cf. my response to Judith Anne's post #173. I fail to see how you could have missed it.
As for my willingness to engage you in discussion of historical and/or doctrinal questions, please cf. my previous post (#190).
Otherwise we would be in the unenviable position of feeling obligated to defending everything done by our spiritual ancestors, which would be not just immoral but impossible.
It makes me wonder if somewhere there exist RCs who defend the forgery called the Donation of Constantine, or the judicial murder and confiscation of the property of converso men and women judged as being unrepentant heretics by "Church"-sponsored/staffed inquisitios.
Hi Boatbums....
Just came by here and once again see the war between protestant and catholic continues unabated. It was that way centries ago and I don’t see it stopping until Christ comes.
I don’t think it possible for catholics to ever see the word catholic, meaning universal believers and not the catholic church, for what it’s true meaning is for thhen what would they call their denomination?
It is difficult to seperate even catholics from roman catholics much as some might want to...it seems like the non-roman catholics just don’t acknowledge the authority of the roman pope... so does that then make them closer to protestants since they don’t acknowledge the popes authority?
Absolutely...
Thats Saint Luther
So that means the Catholics will lay off Luther??
Amen
Amen,
I want to second the commendation for the history lessons ...
Was this document inspired writing and included in the canon?
I have no objection. Sometimes the mocifier “Roman” is absolutely necessary, especially in areas where there are other denominations present that use the word Catholic in their names — such as in Zion, Illinois where there is a Protestant denomination that calls itself “Christian Catholic”. Actually, I don’t know if they still exist, but they did when I lived there in the early 60s. On hospital admissions we had to differentiate between “Roman” Catholics and “Christian” Catholics so that the hospital could direct the clergymen when they stopped by to visit patients.
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