[GiovannaNicoletta]

There are people, called "pretereists", who believe that most or all of the biblical prophecies concerning the End Times refer to events which have already happened in the first century after Christ's birth.

They also believe that the Church has replaced Israel in God's mind and the covenants God made with Israel, which God says are eternal, now apply to the Church, and Israel has been thrown away by God.

Real demonic stuff.

This is why you will see some on this forum, who show up on a lot of prophecy threads, discarding and ignoring and twisting Scripture and denying the reality which is happening right in front of their faces.

They have to mangle and deny the words of God otherwise their belief system shatters into a million pieces.

[Quix]

All of which . . .

END TIMES list keeper Quix . . . uhhhh . . . has . . . uhhh . . .

sometimes fits, sometimes a merry old time with.

Most of the time, he thinks it’s hideously UnBiblical and dangerous to spiritual welfare in these END TIMES, if not dangerous toward leaving folks headed for hell by the disinformation effects quite outrageously and unnecessarily.

[ET(end tyranny)]

In post #148, notice the word abomination. Maybe the ‘abomination of desolation’ is the setting up of the sacrificial alter in the Temple.

[presently no screen name]

Thank you. What kind of church do they belong to - what's it called?

the Church has replaced Israel in God's mind

Is this a mock form of the muslim religion? They, too, want Israel off the face of the map and deny their existence.

They have to mangle and deny the words of God otherwise their belief system shatters into a million pieces.

Do they use of their own version of the bible? If not, they need to mangle and deny TOO MUCH of God's Word that our bible could not be relevant to them. Jerusalem is God's watchpiece.

How could they possibly believe in Jesus for He is The Living Word! All Christians I know pray for the peace of Israel and support them - didn't know some claim to be Christians and, yet, believe God has taken His Hand off of Israel. We know the scriptures where God speaks about those who come against Israel in any way!

Nothing like writing one's own destiny by ignoring HIS WORD. I'm beginning to see more how 'I never knew you' which is speaking of those claiming to be Christians and 'narrow is the gate' applies. The wide gate is FILLED with deception.

Do they believe in miracles?