[Gamecock]

The way that Roman Catholics deny Mary Worship just cracks me up.

Doc, remember that I told you we went to Venice a couple of months back?

One of the sights we visited was the St. Mary of the Friars, more commonly known as "The Friar's Church."

Inside, at the central "altar" is a masterpiece by Titian titled "The Assumption."

Now that you have seen the piece, let me take you to a picture of the entire altar, what the visitor/RC sees from the cheap seats:

As you stand there you see that the "altar" is overwhelmed by the size and color of this work.

Now, look for the cross. Give up?

Squint your eyes and look at the 7:00 O'clock position relative to the painting, (your left and below) and there he is! Note: In this picture it looks like Jesus is glowing, but he's not.

Isn't that something! There is Jesus on a cross. Tucked away in the corner, really looks like He is there as an afterthought. Mary clearly is the centerpiece of the worship arena.

(Disclaimer: These are not my pictures, but lifted from elsewhere)

[Cronos]

The Centrepiece during the mass IS Christ in the form of the Eucharist. Catholics worship Mary as much as you Presbyterians worship Calvin and Machen. The way you deny your worship of Calvin and Machen is hilarious

[Petronski]

The way that Roman Catholics deny Mary Worship just cracks me up.

I'd say all Catholics deny Mary worship, not just those of Rome.

That's because the Catholic Church prohibits and condemns worship of anyone but the Triune God.

As for the position of Christ in that Church, you need to look at that table in the center, draped in white. THAT is where you'll find Christ during Mass.

[vladimir998]

Uh, Gamecock, you said you were at this church, but you neglected to mention what people have to pass under to get to the altar. You have to pass through a rood screen UNDER A LARGE CRUCIFIX:

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2437186190084788910tvMOjP

Here’s another photo of it in fact: http://www.dkimages.com/discover/DKIMAGES/Discover/Home/Geography/Europe/Italy/Northeast-Italy/Venice/San-Polo-and-Santa-Croce/Churches/Santa-Maria-Gloriosa-dei-Frari/Rood-Screen/Rood-Screen-1.html

So, why did you not mention this fact if you were actually a visitor to the church and had first hand knowledge of it?

This is important because, over the centuries, during Mass, with the Church filled, what people would see is the Rood Screen and that crucifix. Every day, every Mass. The inner sanctuary would rarely be seen except when people went to pray - outside of Mass times - before the altar and that Marian painting.

[Quix]

Hmmmmmm.

[wagglebee]

Inside, at the central "altar" is a masterpiece by Titian titled "The Assumption."

I'll post a more complete picture since the one you posted left out the ever so important top section:

Now, I've lost track of how many times I've been told that the Assumption of the Blessed Mother was "invented" by the Catholic Church in the mid-20th century. Yet, this painting was completed in the early-16th century (it was completed around 1518). The fact is that this painting was completed around the same time the Protestant Reformation BEGAN.

Titian was one of the best known painters in the world and I'm sure that some would love to say that he simply "imagined" this, but Botticini had completed this painting in 1476:

So, I guess I have two questions:

1. How can you say something was "invented" in the 1950s when there are paintings of it that were done more than 400 years before?

2. Since these paintings establish a known belief, why did none of the Reformers denounce it?

[Natural Law]

"As you stand there you see that the "altar" is overwhelmed by the size and color of this work. Now, look for the cross. Give up?

Now zoom wayyyyy out and observe that the floor plan of the Basilica is the form of a cross with the location of the central altar representing the position of Christ on the cross.

[RnMomof7]

Makes ya wonder doesn’t it?? just who’s church is it anyway.. mothers or Sons ???