Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
I read what is written in the Holy Scripture and don’t find that Protestant nonsense anywhere. I find the opposite, already cited.
Let what be?
Indeed....Matthew 6:7
Your interpretation is critically flawed.
And what do you have against ‘Protestants’?
Praying to Mary is fruitless.
Indeed. Yet the disease still exists and it’s folly to believe it doesn’t exist or can be cured without the Physician.
It’s folly to presume that the Physician can’t cure it while you yet walk the Earth.
Your prayers to Mary fall unheard. The only way to the Father is through His Son.
You're telling people to pray prayers that will not be heard. Not very nice of you.
That is simply not the prayer you posted. This one is better.
Check out this — it’s hilarious, now the cast-aways are reduced to quoting from movies to prove their “point” :)
ANANIAS & SAPPHIRA
don’t ring any Biblical bells for you.
You originally said: As I was waiting outside their room where they held the Lord's Supper I was intensely grieved in my spirit. It had nothing to do with personal rejection. I was grieved IN MY SPIRIT. It was tolerable and I didn't make a big fuss. I felt The Lord was seriously grieved as well. It was tolerable. I believe we will see that level of acceptable toleration for a while. Then I believe we'll see a time closer to The Rapture or whatever END TIMES benchmark when God will deal very fiercely with anyone who excludes any true believers from any Christian activity led of His Spirit. In this case, when the mission chairman was blustering and trying to destructively throw his weight around in a way that would hurt his own people, Holy Spirit rose up within me and I warned him that he'd better get on beam with what God was doing with his group or God would take him out of this life. 40 days later he was dead of a brain aneurysm.
Perhaps it would be good to actually look at the Scriptures and review the incident involving Ananias and Sapphira.
Act 4:32 Now the company of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things which he possessed was his own, but they had everything in common.
Act 4:33 And with great power the apostles gave their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all.
Act 4:34 There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of what was sold
Act 4:35 and laid it at the apostles' feet; and distribution was made to each as any had need.
Act 4:36 Thus Joseph who was surnamed by the apostles Barnabas (which means, Son of encouragement), a Levite, a native of Cyprus,
Act 4:37 sold a field which belonged to him, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Act 5:1 But a man named Anani'as with his wife Sapphi'ra sold a piece of property,
Act 5:2 and with his wife's knowledge he kept back some of the proceeds, and brought only a part and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, "Anani'as, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land?
Act 5:4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
Act 5:5 When Anani'as heard these words, he fell down and died. And great fear came upon all who heard of it.
Act 5:6 The young men rose and wrapped him up and carried him out and buried him.
Act 5:7 After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened.
Act 5:8 And Peter said to her, "Tell me whether you sold the land for so much." And she said, "Yes, for so much."
Act 5:9 But Peter said to her, "How is it that you have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? Hark, the feet of those that have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out."
Act 5:10 Immediately she fell down at his feet and died. When the young men came in they found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband.
Act 5:11 And great fear came upon the whole church, and upon all who heard of these things.
Now, let us compare the two.
In the Scriptural example, a man named Anani'as with his wife Sapphi'ra sold a piece of property, and with his wife's knowledge he kept back some of the proceeds, and brought only a part and laid it at the apostles' feet.
So they did a deceptive action.
In Quix's example, the mission chairman was blustering and trying to destructively throw his weight around in a way that would hurt his own people
So it sounds like, per Quix's account, this mission chairman was abusing his authority.
In the Scriptural example, St. Peter had a specific response: Peter said, "Anani'as, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
So St. Peter confronted Ananias with what he did. He didn't threaten. He didn't say "If you don't turn over the rest of the land, God will strike you dead." He just confronted Ananias with the truth of what he did.
In Quix's example, Holy Spirit rose up within me and I warned him that he'd better get on beam with what God was doing with his group or God would take him out of this life.
So friend Quix prophesied a threat (get on beam with what God was doing with his group or God would take him out). In fairness, Quix may have just summarized his prophecy, and so we may not know exactly word-for-word what was said, but based upon what we know from his account, it doesn't appear that this mission chairman was specifically confronted by Quix (under inspiration of the Holy Spirit) with his specific sins, nor does it seem like the mission chairman was told what to do to correct his actions, but, rather, was a generalized 'get your stuff together or you're gone'. If there were more details to this prophecy, I would like to know that fact (although the specific details may not be any of my business).
Now, let us look at the result:
In the Scriptural example, When Anani'as heard these words, he fell down and died. Not 40 days later, not 40 hours later, not 40 minutes later. But right then.
In Quix's example, 40 days later he was dead of a brain aneurysm.
(In the Scriptural example, St. Peter announced to Sapphira when she came in that she was gone. And *boom* -- she was gone. No threat there either)
Now, there are examples in the Old Testament where a prophet would prophecy that if somebody or some group did not repent of their ways that some horrible consequence would happen to them: famine, plague, enslavement, death, or others. Perhaps you could find one of those examples that would be more appropriate to your circumstance.
But I don't think that the example of Ananias and Sapphira is a valid analogy to the example you cited in Taiwan.
Ah, so the next “Baptist” caucasus can have Catholics and Orthodox joining in and pointing out the numerous errors? Since we too, baptise, hence by T_C’s def, we can come onto your caucasus and point out the various errors?
Well, Godfather III did get a nihil obstat and an imprimatur, didn't it? /sarc
So let’s see, you say “In this case, when the mission chairman was blustering and trying to destructively throw his weight around in a way that would hurt his own people, Holy Spirit rose up within me and I warned him that he’d better get on beam with what God was doing with his group or God would take him out of this life. 40 days later he was dead of a brain aneurysm.” — Petronski points out that the spirit you called on your command was definitely NOT God. I guess this explains the meaningless rants that punctuate the earlier posts.
Frankly, I never understood why anyone would want to pray to anyone other than our Lord Jesus and the Father when our Lord asked us to pray directly to Him and the Father. Do you have a “busy” signal?
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INDEED TO THE MAX.
That’s not what my Bible indicates.
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