Posted on 01/03/2010 11:00:10 AM PST by Gamecock
Ten years ago, on a cold winter morning in New York City, the Catholic-Jewish Historical Commission, established to investigate Pope Pius XIIs response to the Holocaust, met for the first time to discuss its future work. I was the only Israeli historian among the six scholars (three Catholics and three Jews) designated by the Vatican and leading Jewish organizations to study this hotly contested issue.
A little under two years later, the project was abandoned as a result of the Holy Sees unwillingness to release materials from its own archives that could help clarify issues that our team of scholars raised in our provisional report. Already at that time, in the last years of Pope John Pauls pontificate, there were moves afoot to place Pius XII on the fast track to sainthood, but they were probably slowed down by Israeli and Jewish protests and a desire by church authorities to prevent a serious rupture in Catholic-Jewish relations.
At issue was the silence of Pius XII during the Holocaust and his indirect complicity in the Nazi mass murder of Jews. These allegations, which first emerged around 1964, had prompted the Vatican to publish 11 volumes of its own documents (edited by four trusted Jesuit scholars), most of them appearing in the 1970s. It was these documents in Italian, German, French, Latin and English that we were originally asked to review. The million or so unpublished documents from the pontificate of Pius XII (19391958) according to the Vaticans most recent estimate, will only be available in about four years time.
It is in this context that we need to see the recent decree on the heroic virtues of Pius XII, just signed by Pope Benedict XVI. Most Jews have interpreted this act as yet another signal that the Vatican is determined to beatify the controversial wartime pope whom some even consider to have been anti-Semitic regardless of what the historical evidence may indicate.
The sharp response of Jewish leaders to Benedicts decree prompted the Vaticans press office director, Father Federico Lombardi, S.J., to release a conciliatory note distinguishing between the historical judgment of Pius XIIs actions (still an open question) and the saintly Christian life he apparently led. In particular, Father Lombardi was concerned to disclaim any notion that this decree was a hostile act towards the Jewish people, or an obstacle to Catholic-Jewish dialogue.
Nevertheless, the decree on Pius XII still raises concern not only about the continuing drive to beatify the wartime pontiff but also about the present pope and the state of relations between the Catholic Church and the Jewish people.
Regarding Pius XII, I personally have never seen him either as Hitlers pope (the theory of British historian John Cornwell a lapsed Catholic), or as the righteous gentile evoked by Rabbi David Dalin. My own provisional conclusion drawn from the study of thousands of documents is that the mass murder of Jews was fairly low on his list of priorities. Of course, much the same could be said of Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin, but they did not claim to be the Vicar of Christ, or to represent the Christian conscience.
Pius XII strikes me as a polished diplomat far more worried about the Allied bombing of Rome than about the thousand Roman Jews who were being deported by the Germans to their deaths in Auschwitz, virtually under the windows of the Holy See. True, other Roman Jews were discreetly given sanctuary in ecclesiastical establishments in and around Rome after October 1943, but it remains unclear if this was the result of a direct papal instruction.
In some instances we know that Pius XII did try to intervene against Nazi or racist anti-Semitic legislation, but in general this was almost always on behalf of baptized Jews since they were protected by the church as Catholics. Piuss rare references to the mass murder of the Jews were invariably veiled and very abstract, as if he found it difficult to utter the word itself. Was it fear of further German reprisals? A latent anti-Semitism? Was it his visceral anti-Communism which also led him to hope for a Nazi victory in the East? Or perhaps the desire to spare German Catholics a conflict of conscience between their loyalty to Hitler, the fatherland, or their church? Whatever the reasons, this was hardly heroic conduct.
So why has Benedict XVI chosen to take this step now? Why risk unnecessary damage to Catholic-Jewish relations? My own inclination is to think that the present pope regards Pius XII as a soulmate both theologically and politically. He shares with the wartime pontiff an authoritarian centralist world-view and a deep distrust of liberalism, modernity, and the ravages of moral relativism. He was 31 years old when Pius XII died in 1958, and already then regarded him as a venerated role model.
Moreover, the German-born Joseph Ratzinger (today Benedict XVI) certainly knew that Pius XII (an aristocratic Roman) was also a passionate Germanophile, surrounded by German aides during and after the war, fluent in the German language, and a great admirer of the German Catholic Church. Not only that, but Ratzinger probably also knows that Pius XII personally intervened after 1945 to commute the sentences of convicted German war criminals. This solicitude for Nazi criminals contrasts sharply with Pius XII ignoring all entreaties to make a public statement against anti-Semitism even after the full horrors of the death camps had been revealed in 1945.
In this context it is profoundly unsettling to think that the ultraconservative Benedict XVI and his entourage can identify so completely with Pius XII as a man of heroic virtue. The present pope, no doubt, deplores anti-Semitism, though his statements on the subject have been noticeably less robust than those of his predecessor, John Paul II.
At Yad Vashem last summer he expressed no personal regret as a German for the unspeakable horrors of the Shoah, even though he had once been a member of the Hitler Youth. True, he had little choice in the matter. However, he was disturbingly vague about the truly monstrous German role in the Holocaust. Earlier in 2009, Benedict also showed remarkably poor judgment (to put it charitably) in reinstating an unrepentant Holocaust-denying British bishop into the mainstream Catholic Church, an action he only retracted after worldwide Jewish and Catholic protests.
These mistakes appear to follow a pattern and may even indicate a regression from the real progress in Catholic-Jewish relations under Benedicts predecessor. One can only hope they are not irreversible since the stakes are high and no sane person can be interested in undermining the bridges across the abyss that have been so painstakingly constructed.
Robert S. Wistrich is director of The Vidal Sassoon International Center for the Study of Anti-Semitism at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and the author of A Lethal Obsession: Anti-Semitism from Antiquity to the Global Jihad (Random House, January 2010).
Imagine that kind of Bizarro-World, through-the-looking-glass thinking: Ven. Pius XII is a villain but Jeff Kingshott is a prophet.
We need to pray for these lost souls.
“UFO Aficionado is somehow mean-spirited.”
What’s the matter? You don’t have the conviction to state what it is? Your own convictions?
“To: word_warrior_bob
Probably temporary insanity that I reply at all . . . however . . .
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THIS IS MY DISTILLATION OF 10S OF THOUSANDS OF PUZZLE PIECES. I dont per se, myself, accept this as proven fact . . . just the most likely summary given all Ive studied.
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So the Ruling Elite are DEALING with 9-12 Fallen Angel Races, how do they deal with 9-12 different races? How do they communicate?
QX: Some are as human looking as you or I and communicate similarly though also reportedly much telepathically. One of the militarys greatest fears is that such critters have already taken on positions of power in the human structures/orgs/governments.
Theres also purportedly a power to clone folks and download personality, memories etc. of the person cloned though with the clone still quite controlled by the . . . controllers . . . slipping that person back into the role of the cloned person. Who knows.
Have all these races learned languages of the Earth?
QX: The more human types have purporetdly learned unreal numbers of earth languages. Though functionally, they dont have to learn that many to deal with the power brokers. And, given super advanced learning technologies and brain/knowledge downloads, learning a language is purportedly not the challenge for them it is for us.
Theres also reports of the governmnet KNOWING theres coming a time when therell be NO electronic communications and ALL military communications will be by ET facilitated telepathy [i.e. spirit world communications, imho]
Military personnel with certain DNA facilitating such communications are sought out and trained in super secret projects with very complex computer programs. Interestingly, the traffic they were trained to transmit sounded more or less exactly like the Secret and TS radio communications I dealt with as a Radioman in the Navy.
Are they posing as human?
QX: Evidently many do. Scares the _______ out of military and government leaders . . . Theres reportedly a kind of gate to go through like screening for metal at the airport to get to deeper parts of the Pentegon . . . only its scanning brains for any non human patterns to keep them out of those sections.
Or do they retain their Alien Appearance and deal with the Globalists in ET form in private?
QX: Hard to say. That bunch of puzzle pieces gets really wierd fast. . . . everything from OThuga offering a daughter . . . to every elite having to bugger toddler boys for initiation rites to Dracos and other such reptilian species being invovled in such goings on.
Im not eager to read a lot of that so I dont. Im just kind of peripherally aware that heres a bunch of data there that I dont know what to do with and had rather not do anything with it.
The War under Dulce near Los Alamos purportedly involved Dracos . . . with vats down deep . . . a slurry . . . for food . . . with human body parts . . .
So there are 9-12 Fallen Angel Races that the Ruling Elite have to deal with.
QX: That is the most consistent ball park figure Ive seen for over 30 years from probably more than 2 dozen different sources.
The 9-12 Fallen Angel Races who the Ruling Elite have to deal with also play Good Cop/Bad Cop with the Ruling Elite, so we dont know whether they are Good Angels or Bad Angels? Could they all be Bad Angels or Good Angels? Or is it a mixture?
QUIX: NO. I HAVE NO DOUBT.
THEY ARE ALL BAD. GODS ANGEL ARMIES DONT BEGIN TO BEHAVE AS THESE CRITTERS DO. THEY ARE ALL WORKING TO SET UP SATANS GLOBAL GOVERNMENT.
= BAD, BAD, BAD.
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Ive been candid with you. If you trash me again, it will likely be the last time Ill tolerate relating to you in any way, shape or form.
478 posted on Friday, October 23, 2009 7:47:55 PM by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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Thread: Witness the all of me
The truth has come out in so very many ways.
In an indirect sense, the Original Poster has done us a huge service.
I can never remember, do blue letters or red letters denote more emphasis with you?
What color fonts do the the ETs in the UFOs prefer?
Sola J_d.
Apparently, the Nicene Creed is not in their beliefs.
I’m wondering about the Triune God now.
I shudder to think what the DSM-IV would have to say about that.
Daddy, daddy come quick!
There’s been a horrible blast down at the HTML factory!
Im wondering about the Triune God now.
Nestorianism is rampant among them, it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that most of them deny the Holy Trinity.
“I shudder to think what the DSM-IV...”
Mine’s out-of-date since I retired in ‘94, but I can tell you from memory.
Who knows? More importantly, if ten psychologists examined the evidence, how many opinions would they offer?
Most importantly, who cares? Unlike some folks, I do not presume to judge the stability of folks' minds, the health of their personalities, or the state of their souls based on their writings on a pseudonymous forum.
That's just tacky ...
Theres been a horrible blast down at the HTML factory!
However, this is not healthy.
“That’s just tacky ...”
Yes, and I apologize. Plain unprofessional, too. I’ve tried to avoid it on the “Obama is a narcissist” boards also.
My apologies to the board.
That one left me speechless!
You two only say things like this because you are both alien hybrids (indistinguishable from normal humans except that you can control us telepathically) and are part of the conspiracy. /s
Not me!!
V
Okay, so you're saying that Catholics are actually ETs and we have been flying around in our UFOs terrorizing people?
(Check for sarcasm tags. In my particular case, check for Catholic baptismal and confirmation certs ;-) )
Incredibly fascinating the assumptions piled on assumptions and fantasies piled on fantasies and then ranted about to high fog, low Alice’s rabbit hole or low hell. Sheesh! Sounds like Jr High.
Sigh.
I’d better get to revising my course guide. LOL.
One can almost see, feel and smell the blood dripping.
. . . at least the wished for blood! LOL.
It’s paradoxically fascinating.
THEY insist that they are not idolatrous toward Mary.
WE insist that SOME of them are.
WE insist that at least SOME of us do not HATE in these matters AT ALL.
THEY insist that ALL of us frequent PROTTY posters on such matters HATE thoroughly all the time.
Thankfully, God knows THE TRUTH quite exhaustively.
. . . for EACH heart.
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