Roman Catholic church to receive Anglicans

Guardian.co.uk ^ | 10/20/09 | John Hooper

[Claud]

Pope Benedict approves decree setting up new worldwide institution to receive Anglican communities

More than half a million Anglicans are set to join the Roman Catholic church following an announcement from the Vatican today that Pope Benedict XVI had approved a decree setting up a new worldwide institution to receive them.

[Ebenezer]

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[fortunate sun]

I wasn’t claiming he had Divine Right. My statement was his right in his mind, I was playing the role of clairvoyant for the moment.
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[TalonDJ]

This sort of came out of nowhere; very little made it out to the rumor mill beforehand.

Not really. It has been in the works for years. My parents have attend a Catholic Church which is run by converted Anglicans (their priest has kids) for many years.

[fortunate sun]

re: Edward VI handlers

Could it be said the moves against the Church in England were in order to grab it's assets for the Crown with a bit skimmed off for the handlers in a similar fashion to the German princes wealth grab by aligning with Luther? thanks

[marshmallow]

........*Irish accent*........

"Shure.......I tink I moight just haff a pint off da good stuff to celebrate dis hah-pee occasion"............... :-)

[Claud]

Outstanding! This sort of came out of nowhere; very little made it out to the rumor mill beforehand. This is huge!

Rome told them to keep a tight lid on it....and man they did. There was almost nothing reported about this in blogs or anything else. You'd see a story come out and it was usually just a repeat of the old TAC submits their case to Rome story with really nothing new.

Well, it's a joyous day as our prayers have been answered.

And the media in general hasn't picked up on it, but this is a truly historic event which should send shock waves throughout the ecclesiastical world: the English Reformation just had a dagger plunged into it.

[Claud]

Call it a downpayment on the restoration of Our Lady’s Dowry! I couldn’t be happier...this has made my day.

[bobjam]

That was a part of it. Henry VIII needed cash so he closed the monasteries and sold their lands. The nobles who bought them immediately took on a vested interest in Henry’s success. When Mary became Queen, she reconciled the Church of England to Rome, but she did not restore the monasteries. To do so would have required her to take, by force, the land from the people who had bought it from her father. Such a move would have undermined her support from the nobility.

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[trad_anglican]

Now there’s no limit to the potential for expanding and adding new parishes in the Rite.

I wouldn't assume that new groups coming in would be using the Anglican Rite. It could be the other way around.

[markomalley]

It will be VERY interesting to read, in detail, the Apostolic Constitution when it comes out. Depending upon how it is actually written, this could prove to be quite the model for other efforts to promote Christian unity...

What I especially like is the fact that there will be personal ordinariates for the Anglicans so that they would not be afflicted by the Latin Rite ordinaries that currently plague so many of us on both sides of the pond.

[Salvation]

Welcome home, brother and sister Anglicans!

[Mrs. Don-o]

And Anglican Rite, woo hoo. I’m getting the Urge to Liturge.

[Grampa Dave]

” Welcome home, brother and sister Anglicans!”

This will send a loud and clear message to the homosexuals and their backers in the Episcopal church, “Keep up and we will leave!”

Our local priests officially haven’t taken a stand on this issue, however, they refuse to marry homosexuals and to concede to their other demands. As a result we have lost very few members since this hit the fan. In fact we have picked up a several good members leaving the Lutheran and Presbies and Methodists for pushing the gay agenda.

This new acceptance will have a world wide positive impact and give us strength not to accept the unholy Gays and their agendas for our churches.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for a great BOL.

“And Anglican Rite, woo hoo. I’m getting the Urge to Liturge.”

[Antoninus]

Pray for me too....that I get my work done in spite of it!

Yeah, do that, will you?

[marshmallow]

I’m getting the Urge to Liturge.

OK, that one's a keeper..........LOL!!!

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[RonF]

What Henry wanted was not an English Catholic Church, but a church HE controlled.

What Henry wanted was to avoid a revival of the War of the Roses should he die without a male heir. At the time it was fairly usual that when a King wanted a divorce so that he could remarry and beget a male heir, the Pope cooperated. But in Henry VIII's time the Pope was influenced by French interests to not do so, as it was in France's interest for the English throne to be weak.

That's not to deny that Henry took advantage of the situation once he decided to move. But England had been greatly weakened by 30+ years of civil war and Henry wanted to keep that from recurring.

[vladimir998]

You wrote:

“What Henry wanted was to avoid a revival of the War of the Roses should he die without a male heir.”

Correct - and that’s why he wanted a Church he could control.

“At the time it was fairly usual that when a King wanted a divorce so that he could remarry and beget a male heir, the Pope cooperated.”

Nope. Never once happened. There was no such thing as “divorce” the pope cooperated with. You mean annulment and that isn’t the same thing as a divorce.

“But in Henry VIII’s time the Pope was influenced by French interests to not do so, as it was in France’s interest for the English throne to be weak.”

No. You can’t even get your myths right. The myth is that the pope was influenced by fear of Charles V of SPAIN. Not France. And as the events of 1527 showed, such a fear would make sense - but there is no evidence it affected the pope’s decision. People who embrace these myths conveniently forget the previous papal dispensation.

“That’s not to deny that Henry took advantage of the situation once he decided to move.”

Agreed.

“But England had been greatly weakened by 30+ years of civil war and Henry wanted to keep that from recurring.”

I think he did want it to stop from recurring, but I don’t see how England suffered all that much from the war. There was little real fighting. The two spheres of English life most harmed by the War of the Roses were the noble classes and English strength IN FRANCE. And yet, even there, those seems somewhat hollow. Few noble houses were actually exterminated during the wars. In a 25 year period BEFORE the war 25 noble houses became extinct. During the entirety of the war, only 24 houses became extinct. And when it comes to France, the French had been getting their act together for over a century and English control there was doomed anyway.