Posted on 08/17/2009 9:10:31 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
I have no desire to judge all Catholics. I’ve known some in the military who considered every TDY a chance to get drunk and commit adultery.
I have no doubt but that Catholics have tares in with the wheat, as do Protestants. Jesus said it would happen.
Perhaps you do not know that according to Catholic Tradition, handed down from mouth to mouth, person to person, the Blessed Virgin Mary was visited by St. Michael the Archangel, who escorts people to heaven, that she would be dying soon.
All the apostles were miraculously transported from their various posts around the world at that time to her bedside. They were there to witness her death. So does it make more sense to you that Catholics believe in this dogma of the Assemption?
I wondered about your name. Too Catholic for me.
You are always a Catholic. You may not be an active Catholic today, but that doesn’t preclude you from sitting down with a priest and talking about the questions you harbor tomorrow.
Once a person is baptized a Catholic they will always live and die a Catholic. How they choose to live their life will determine where they will be going at the moment of their death. Purgatory or ??
One of the best ways to begin with understanding Luther’s view of Mary is Luther’s Marian hymn, completed A.D. 1545, one year before his death.
Luther scholars frequently—generally correctly—differentiate between “young, Catholic Luther” and “old, Protestant Luther”. Indeed, the LCMS article points cited by Xone makes that very point.
Well, here is “old Protestant Luther, some 28 years after posting the 95 Theses sounding very Catholic indeed:
To me she’s dear, the worthy maid,
And I cannot forget her;
Praise, honor, virtue her are said,
Then all will love her better.
I seek her good,
And if I should
Right evil fare,
I do not care,
She’ll make up for it to me
With love and truth that will not tire,
Which she will ever show me,
And do all my desire.
She wears of purest gold a crown
Twelve stars their rays are twining,
Her rainment, glorious as the sun,
And bright from far is shining.
Her feet the moon
Are set upon
She is the bride
With the Lord to hide.
Sore travail is upon her;
She bringest forth a noble Son
Whom all the world must honor,
Their king, the only one.
That makes the dragon rage and roar,
He will the child upswallow;
His raging comes to nothing more;
No jot of gain will follow.
The infant high
Up to the sky
Away is heft
And he is left
On earth,all mad with murder.
The mother now alone is she,
But God will watchful guard her.
And the right Father he.
Your pocket Catholics, which you parade around every time you are losing an argument, do they really know their Faith? As a Catholic, I am at a disadvantage, because I would have to be parading around about 50,000 bad examples every time I wanted to say protestants didn’t do x,y, or z. The fact that the Church is one makes it an easier target.
Another concept is the notion that the Church is for sinners. It also has saints in it. Some protestants believe that a church is “truly christian”, only when it is filled with saints. Such a mindset might be easily confused by the presence of so many sinners in one place. For a Catholic it is easy, they are there to be healed, to be transformed from sinners into saints by the Grace of God.
Catholics have at least 8 rules of faith, as outlined in St. Francis de Sales book “The Catholic Controversy”. The gift of Faith informs them all. Is is a gift from God, to be cherished.
Do you have a citation for that?
It is easy to claim that the Church lies and makes stuff up, maybe you should supply some proof with your assertions?
Okay easy enough. Why did Paul call himself a Jew and not a Catholic if Christ started the Catholic Church?
Because the Catholic Church was not called the Catholic Church until a bit later.
No I am not making a huge assumption.
Why would the dead want to bear any suffering from earth? Isn’t Heaven suppossed to be the release of all earthly concerns?
So why pray to Jesus if anyone can answer your prayers?
Fot there is one God and one Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.
Have you ever been dead to know what a dead person wants?
Don’t even know how to respond to such an inane statement.
Perhaps out of a sense of Christian love and compassion.
So never ever ask anyone to pray for you.
LOL, WOW.
You seen it all, haven't you!
There are plenty of fulfilled Jews who are Catholic, is this supposed to be evidence of a lie by the Church? Maybe you should pick a clearer example?
That is simply a stupid statement comparing me asking living people to pray for me with asking the DEAD, which Mary is one of, to pray for me. If you can’t see the distinction you are either intellectually dishonest or spiritually bereft. I thought that I had heard it all until you posted that nonsense.
She's not dead.
I see the distinction you're trying to make, but I rebuke it.
What your sentence quoted here actually means is anyone who disagrees with your own personal interpretation of Scripture is somehow defective. I rebuke this hubristic suggestion as well.
I have never heard of that but the Assumption is a traditional feast day of the Church.
Relics of saints' bodies were highly prized in the Early Church. Until Vatican II, every Catholic Church contained a certified saint's relic, usually small bone fragment, cemented into the marble altar. This practice originated in the early Roman church where mass was held in the catacombs and the priest used the tomb of a martyr as the altar for confecting the Eucharist.
If Mary had left a body at death, her relics would have been preserved as some of the most highly valued. There are no records of Mary's burial place or of her relics having been preserved or shared in the normal fashion.
William Webster.
Didn’t he flee the muddy, turbulent waters of the Tiber?
Never heard of him.
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