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1 posted on 11/10/2008 12:21:01 PM PST by Ebenezer
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2 posted on 11/10/2008 12:21:53 PM PST by Ebenezer (Strength and Honor!)
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A slippery slope following birth control to Planned Parenthood?


4 posted on 11/10/2008 12:23:53 PM PST by sarasota
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Already posted: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2126950/posts


5 posted on 11/10/2008 12:24:04 PM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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This makes me sick as I was christened in the Catholic Church. 54% of Catholics and 78% of Jews let America and themselves down. It is disgraceful.


6 posted on 11/10/2008 12:24:23 PM PST by Frantzie
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Already posted when it was published, 5 days ago.


7 posted on 11/10/2008 12:24:41 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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Half the people I work with are Catholic, as am I.

I'm the only one who is pro-life.

I'm the only one who doesn't want 'free' health care at the expense of my free-dom.

I think most "Catholics" nowadays consider their church to be a social club.

The very word "morality" makes them snort with contempt.

8 posted on 11/10/2008 12:25:33 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Public policy should never become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. -- Ike Eisenhower)
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That’s easy. Catholics don’t live their faith. Evangelicals do. You will know them by their fruits.


10 posted on 11/10/2008 12:31:27 PM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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It clearly sounds like the Vatican must do more to educate American Catholics about their faith. The monastic orders are the obvious choice to send through America on a mission of education, helping the laity steer away from heterodoxy.

Just for them to be available, to speak with and visit the young, adult and old, would be a grand experience for all concerned.


11 posted on 11/10/2008 12:33:21 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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The dumbing down of many voters in general greatly benefited the political left at each and every level. Conservatives don’t even have anything that even comes close to equalling all of the advantages that the political left presently has, and this is why I’m not seriously convinced that this rapid shift to the profound left is only temporary and will end in either ‘10, ‘12, ‘14, ‘16... I give the conservative movement sixty years before it does make any kind of serious political comeback, if it even makes any kind of political comeback to begin with. I really do want to be wrong about all of this, but I don’t believe that I’m wrong. Look at how many countries throughout the entire world still maintain a socialistic form of government, even if they really don’t like it.


13 posted on 11/10/2008 12:34:37 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (There's nothing good to say about leftists in complete control of everything important.)
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Yes! In the old days, Catholics had many things that kept them apart and reminded them of their priorities: the Faith and your moral/spiritual life first, and then the world and civil society. This actually makes people good citizens. But after 40 years of bad or non-existent teaching, people have gotten it backwards, and the world and its ways take priority. Oddly enough, this makes neither for good Christians - nor for good citizens.
14 posted on 11/10/2008 12:35:59 PM PST by livius
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What's wrong with Catholic voters? What's wrong with Catholics?

They and the church are strong believers in socialism. How many times has the phrase "social justice" been used in catholic newspapers (Social justice meaning taking from those who earned it and giving it so someoen who didn't so that the robber can feel good) Catholic Charaties USA gets over $1,000,000,000 of taxpayer loot annually in grants. Don't think that the church is going to say "no don't trob the taxpayers - we don't want the money."

The Catholic bureaucracy has been bought by the statists in government and paid for with our tax dollars. Look for some more endorsement of the obomanation's gun control agenda like the American council of Catholic Bishops did in 1994 for Clinton's gun bans.

20 posted on 11/10/2008 12:51:51 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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I am actually saddened that McCain won among weekly mass attendees by only 10 points. For the past 40+ years the Church has been severely weakened as a force in the world to a nearly all time low level in a number of areas. Catholic Europe (Spain, France, Italy ect) has lost the faith for decades. Moreover, Mexico City recently legalized abortion.

However, it will get stronger albeit probably with a smaller contingent. The fact that so many Bishops are now speaking out against these pro-abortion polititians after so many years of indifference is a good sign of hope.

25 posted on 11/10/2008 1:02:50 PM PST by Fast Ed97
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This goes for everyone:

Theology matters.


32 posted on 11/10/2008 1:23:05 PM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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Catholics who do not attend church are not Catholics - they are former Catholics, or more accurately, secularists.

Real Catholics supported McCain, 54-45%, although he didn’t give them (or anyone else for that matter) much reason to.

That number would have been even higher if the bishops were willing to condemn pro-abortion, pro-stem cell liberals. Instead they go to dinners with them.


33 posted on 11/10/2008 1:23:41 PM PST by oldbill
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There are two distinct Catholic Churches in this country whether we like it or not. One is true, the other heretical.


34 posted on 11/10/2008 1:24:17 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice.)
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St. Jude hospital... named after their saint of “lost causes.” Like the rest of us, they have their good and bad moments.


35 posted on 11/10/2008 1:25:50 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (Way to go BARNEY!! Barney for White House Press Secretary.)
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Those 54% of the Catholics that voted for evil should be baned from the Catholic faith. By casting a vote for B Husein Obama they agree and condone: Abortion, Euthanasia, Embryonic Stem Cell research, Human Cloning, and Homosexual Marriage. All of which are strictly forbidden by the Catholic Church and the Word of our Lord.


36 posted on 11/10/2008 1:26:56 PM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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Just my opinion, but I don't think you will find the answers looking at the voters...better focus on why the Democrats are more attractive than the Republicans to all (ok at least 1/2) of the people of the US.

Religion, unfortunately, is taking a back seat to most Americans, they have been told (over and over and over) that there need to be a separation, and are buying into it.

As for the abortion issue, I don't think there is a Catholic alive that doesn't think its a sin...the problem is that most Catholics don't think it should be regulated, i.e. its a moral issue. The Republicans better find a way to make this a societal issue, or drop it from the platform. (I prefer the former.)

37 posted on 11/10/2008 1:29:44 PM PST by mikemoose
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You mean to tell me that if Catholics are badly catechized, liturgically confused, constantly brow-beaten about the "social gospel" and seldom hear a homily about Humanae Vitae or indeed any basic Catholic dogma, they turn around and vote for a pro-abortionist?

Wow....who'd a thunk it..........???

38 posted on 11/10/2008 1:33:49 PM PST by marshmallow
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In the 35 years since Roe v. Wade, Catholics have watched their Church leaders handle pro-abortion Catholic politicians with kid gloves, treating their moral treason as a minor annoyance rather than a public scandal. Yes, the bishops routinely denounced abortion; but at the same time they treated the public supporters of taxpayer-funded abortion with jovial deference. Puzzled lay Catholics concluded that the bishops didn’t really take the issue too seriously, and the laity in turn stopped taking their bishops seriously.
***Sounds a little bit like some chickens coming home to roost, unfortunately. The leadership of the church should not be sending messages that generate the result of “puzzled lay catholics”. This is very sad. But I doubt anything will really change.


39 posted on 11/10/2008 1:34:13 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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