Posted on 11/06/2008 6:36:40 AM PST by Alex Murphy
CATHOLICS did NOT vote for Obamanation.
CINOs voted for him and consequently excommunicated themselves from the Catholic Church since their vote supported abortion.
Remember, FRiend, CINOs vote for Obamanation.
Agreed, this should be decided by the states, and not with made up SCOTUS decisions!
First off, marriage isn't a Sacrament for Protties. Marriage is a celebration & in cases where the couple had been living in sin, the marriage is an open sign of repentance.
Back in 1976, I asked the minister of the ELCA church that I had gone to as a child to perform my marriage ceremony. He told me that he'd do it only after I had rejoined the congregation & that meant regular attendance for a year.
My husband to be was a lapsed Catholic. He knew better than to ask the pastor at the church he'd been a member of as a child, but we found two other Catholic churches that were quite willing to perform our marriage Mass.
What's the Catholic Church's current teaching on funeral Mass & burial for those who've committed suicide?
“You remind me of a common belief among the tragically naive.”
Stick a sock in it, buddy. I’ve been organizing since the 80’s and worked on state and national campaigns.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.
No problem.
This is untrue. The Church teaches that Adam did exist and all sin stems from him.
CCC:
374 The first man was not only created good, but was also established in friendship with his Creator and in harmony with himself and with the creation around him, in a state that would be surpassed only by the glory of the new creation in Christ.
375 The Church, interpreting the symbolism of biblical language in an authentic way, in the light of the New Testament and Tradition, teaches that our first parents, Adam and Eve, were constituted in an original "state of holiness and justice". 250 This grace of original holiness was "to share in. . .divine life". 251
The Church teaches no such thing. Quite the contrary, the view you falsely ascribe to the Catholic Church is expressly condemned. It is blatant heresy, even if you happen to have heard it from Father Flake or Sister Silly.
Humani Generis His Holiness Pope Pius XII Encyclical Letter Concerning Some False Opinions Which Threaten to Undermine the Foundations of Catholic Doctrine August 12, 1950
37. When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is no no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.[18] >37. When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is no no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.[18]
How about being blackmailed.
What would you do?
What would governments (local, state, and federal) do if today all the bishops tell us that they are shutting down all their hospitals, schools, charities so they don’t violate their consciences one more day?
I personally as a practicing Catholic would indeed shut them all down this today.
But I am not a bishop nor do I want to be one.
How about being blackmailed.
What would you do?
What would governments (local, state, and federal) do if today all the bishops tell us that they are shutting down all their hospitals, schools, charities so they don’t violate their consciences one more day?
I personally as a practicing Catholic would indeed shut them all down this today.
But I am not a bishop nor do I want to be one.
http://www.catholicscomehome.org/
I'm afraid you don't understand what I mean by "Adam." I refer not to a theoretical individual who lived at some time in the far distant past about whom we know nothing (and who was probably born to a soulless humanoid and ensouled at a certain time) but to the Biblical Adam: who was created on the Sixth Day; ate the fruit; was expelled from Eden; began Cain, Abel and Seth (and others); lived apart from Eve for 130 years after Cain killed Abel, died at the age of 930, and is buried (along with Eve) in Me`arat HaMakhpelah in Chevron (which I once visited). And the Catholic Church is completely non-committal as to whether this particular individual ever actually existed. The Catholic Church believes in a theoretical extra-Biblical, "scientific" first man, not the Biblical 'Adam HaRi'shon.
No sale.
No sale.
So you're saying that the Catholic Church not only believes in a real "Adam," but in the Biblical Adam who lived for 930 years?
Of course to answer that question you'd have to step out of your ambiguity chamber.
That's completely false and you bear false witness when you repeat it.
While I am not a chr*stian, it is quite maddening that the “unchanging” Catholic Church used to believe the “first Adam” was a real as the “second Adam,” but now the “first Adam” was merely a literary form.
That's completely false and you bear false witness when you repeat it.
Are you sure you aren't thinking of "Billy Bob's Glory Barn?"
As I noted to arrogantbustard above, whatever "Adam" the Catholic Church believes in is a theoretical first human being, not the individual who was created on the Sixth Day and died at the age of 930. That's just a "literary convention."
Besided--don't you know that people can't live that long?
No, Adam is not a theoretical first human, he is the real first human. Not a literary device, a real person.
The same one talked about in the Bible. In allegory.
Nope, he really existed, therefore he's not theoretical.
No amount of quibbling over details can convert a real person into a theoretical person.
No amount of quibbling over details can convert a real person into a theoretical person.
So the Biblical Adam is still a myth.
Thanks for clearing that up!
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