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To: Colofornian
Your question is best put to Christ. It is His quote, not mine. The meaning of His words is clear:

If a man be called a god by God, what is your problem. We can become gods is exactly what the Psalmist is saying. We do not become God, unless you believe in the Trinity because it says:

John 17 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Your teaching of the Trinity is that Jesus and Heavenly Father are the same being because the scriptures say Jesus is one with the Father. Following that line of thinking, then we are also to be part of the Trinity. By your own theology we are not just gods, but God. Of course, this can only be true if you believe the concept of the Trinity, which I might add is mentioned nowhere in the scriptures

168 posted on 08/17/2008 4:37:25 PM PDT by DanielLongo
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To: DanielLongo
If a man be called a god by God, what is your problem. We can become gods is exactly what the Psalmist is saying.

Exactly how long have you have this reading problem of yours? Whatever you make of these verses in Ps. 82 & John 10 -- none of them say a single word about "becoming" gods. Whatever representation of God they had, it's something they already were -- never something they were to become!

Look at both Ps. 82:6 and John 10:34:
6I have said, Ye are gods
34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Jesus then clarifies it for us in John 10:35:
35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken...

The apostle Paul also clarifies this for us:
5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (1 Cor. 8:5-6)

Satan is a "god" to his worshippers. That doesn't make him a "god" by nature. But he is "called" a god because he has usurped rulership authority in this world that rightly belongs only to God alone.

The bottom line here is that whatever "godness" mere mortal Mormons try to claim, Scripture never allows you the luxury of trying to claim this is a future tense acquisition. I defy you to show me just one passage from your "quad" -- the Book of Mormon, from Doctrine & Covenants, from the Pearl of Great Price, or the Bible, which says that men become gods in the future.

It's the exact same thing with perfection. Matthew 5:48 says "be ye perfect" -- not "become perfect" -- but be perfect right now.

The fact is, DL, that the "gods" cited in Psalm 82 are...
...unjust
...and mortal (they die)

Unjust gods can never be true gods-by-nature gods.

You cited John 17:21 re: the oneness of Jesus disciples with Jesus and His Father: Men who are married are "one" with their wives. That doesn't mean they become female does it? (Your scatter-brained logic)

Your teaching of the Trinity is that Jesus and Heavenly Father are the same being because the scriptures say Jesus is one with the Father.

It goes well beyond that. For instance, all of the attributes ascribed to the Father also apply to Jesus. Jesus said in John 14, "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father."

Following that line of thinking, then we are also to be part of the Trinity. By your own theology we are not just gods, but God.

No. We are mortal, God is immortal.
We are imperfect, God is perfect.
God is from eternity past as Creator; we are created beings.
God is omniscient & omnipotent & omnipresent. We see through a mirror darkly and are weak & can only be in one place at one time.

Remember Ps. 82:6 and John 10:34 -- ye "are" gods...So, if you & other Mormon males are already gods, show us your omniscience...your omnipotence...your omnipresence...your perfection. You can't. You are propagating an open lie that comes from the very mouth of the serpent in the garden who lied to Eve when he told her that if they ate of the fruit, their eyes would be opened: 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. (Gen. 3:5).

(Please tell us how your message is distinctive from the Serpent's in Gen. 3:5?)

Of course, this can only be true if you believe the concept of the Trinity, which I might add is mentioned nowhere in the scriptures.

"The Bible" is nowhere mentioned in the Bible -- that doesn't cancel it out, does it? Where is "general authorities" in the Bible? Where is the word "missionary" in the Bible? Where is "Quorum?" Where is "Stake?" Where is "President?" Where is "abortion?" (I could come up with dozens of very good Biblical concept words & dozens more of Mormon-specific words that are nowhere to be found there).

172 posted on 08/17/2008 5:06:03 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: DanielLongo
The meaning of His words is clear:

So were these - but what good did it do?


 
 
 
 
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.




 
 
 



 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 
 

212 posted on 08/18/2008 4:57:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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