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To: DanielLongo
If a man be called a god by God, what is your problem. We can become gods is exactly what the Psalmist is saying.

Exactly how long have you have this reading problem of yours? Whatever you make of these verses in Ps. 82 & John 10 -- none of them say a single word about "becoming" gods. Whatever representation of God they had, it's something they already were -- never something they were to become!

Look at both Ps. 82:6 and John 10:34:
6I have said, Ye are gods
34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Jesus then clarifies it for us in John 10:35:
35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken...

The apostle Paul also clarifies this for us:
5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. (1 Cor. 8:5-6)

Satan is a "god" to his worshippers. That doesn't make him a "god" by nature. But he is "called" a god because he has usurped rulership authority in this world that rightly belongs only to God alone.

The bottom line here is that whatever "godness" mere mortal Mormons try to claim, Scripture never allows you the luxury of trying to claim this is a future tense acquisition. I defy you to show me just one passage from your "quad" -- the Book of Mormon, from Doctrine & Covenants, from the Pearl of Great Price, or the Bible, which says that men become gods in the future.

It's the exact same thing with perfection. Matthew 5:48 says "be ye perfect" -- not "become perfect" -- but be perfect right now.

The fact is, DL, that the "gods" cited in Psalm 82 are...
...unjust
...and mortal (they die)

Unjust gods can never be true gods-by-nature gods.

You cited John 17:21 re: the oneness of Jesus disciples with Jesus and His Father: Men who are married are "one" with their wives. That doesn't mean they become female does it? (Your scatter-brained logic)

Your teaching of the Trinity is that Jesus and Heavenly Father are the same being because the scriptures say Jesus is one with the Father.

It goes well beyond that. For instance, all of the attributes ascribed to the Father also apply to Jesus. Jesus said in John 14, "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father."

Following that line of thinking, then we are also to be part of the Trinity. By your own theology we are not just gods, but God.

No. We are mortal, God is immortal.
We are imperfect, God is perfect.
God is from eternity past as Creator; we are created beings.
God is omniscient & omnipotent & omnipresent. We see through a mirror darkly and are weak & can only be in one place at one time.

Remember Ps. 82:6 and John 10:34 -- ye "are" gods...So, if you & other Mormon males are already gods, show us your omniscience...your omnipotence...your omnipresence...your perfection. You can't. You are propagating an open lie that comes from the very mouth of the serpent in the garden who lied to Eve when he told her that if they ate of the fruit, their eyes would be opened: 5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. (Gen. 3:5).

(Please tell us how your message is distinctive from the Serpent's in Gen. 3:5?)

Of course, this can only be true if you believe the concept of the Trinity, which I might add is mentioned nowhere in the scriptures.

"The Bible" is nowhere mentioned in the Bible -- that doesn't cancel it out, does it? Where is "general authorities" in the Bible? Where is the word "missionary" in the Bible? Where is "Quorum?" Where is "Stake?" Where is "President?" Where is "abortion?" (I could come up with dozens of very good Biblical concept words & dozens more of Mormon-specific words that are nowhere to be found there).

172 posted on 08/17/2008 5:06:03 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
The basis for the trinity is in the Bible. It was not pulled out of a hat. We don't have to obfuscate it like the LDS does their works.

John 1:1,14: “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.” “And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.”

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

There are others, but I only have to see Apple Pie on one menu to know the restaurant has it.

173 posted on 08/17/2008 5:18:36 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Bigoted Neanderthal Evangelicals support Eric Cantor for VP. Shalom.)
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To: Colofornian
If your assumption of which scripture he cited is correct and your assumption of what it means is also correct, then why would Jesus use that scripture to defend Himself? If it refers to “unjust gods”, then Jesus would be calling himself and unjust god. That makes no sense. I think your explanation is wrong.
179 posted on 08/17/2008 5:57:24 PM PDT by DanielLongo
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To: Colofornian
The scriptures are plain and precious. Leave it to an Evangelical to take a whole page of philosophical wandering to explain one verse of the Bible. LOL. And still get it wrong! LOL LOL.
226 posted on 08/18/2008 7:09:36 AM PDT by DanielLongo
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