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1 posted on 07/29/2008 4:39:52 PM PDT by annalex
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This is just a good news post. Praise be to God!

Previously posted:

On Salvation Outside the Catholic Church
The Great Heresies
SALVATION PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE
JUSTIFICATION IN CATHOLIC TEACHING
Hermits and Solitaries [Ecumenical]
THE PRIESTHOOD DEBATE
RIGHTEOUSNESS AND MERIT
A Well-Rounded Pope [Ecumenical]
A Monastery to Last 1,000 Years [Ecumenical]
Explaining Purgatory from a New Testament Perspective [Ecumenical]
In the Crosshairs of the Canon [How We Got The Bible] [Ecumenical]
'An Ordinance Forever' - The Biblical Origins of the Mass [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Church Authority In Scripture [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Catholic Tradition: Life in the Spirit [Ecumenical]
Christian Atheism
Vatican plea to uncover Virgin Mary and show her breast-feeding baby Jesus
Why do Catholics have to confess their sins to a priest instead of praying straight to God? [Ecu]
Our Times: The Age of Martyrs
The Eucharist - the Lord's Sacrifice, Banquet and Presence
Beginning Catholic: Catholic Morality: Life in Christ [Ecumenical]
Chosen In Him: The Catholic Teaching on Predestination [Ecumenical]
The Sacraments [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: A Strong Start in the Faith: The Catholic RCIA Stages [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: The RCIA Inquiry Stage In the Catholic Church [Ecumenical]
Catholic Art

2 posted on 07/29/2008 4:41:51 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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Apologetics, be it based in Protestant or Catholic faiths has long been a missing link not taught by main line Christian churches. In my opinion, there is a HUGE demand for not only what to believe but WHY we believe. The seeker of the fruits of the spirit needs to be equipped to know the reason behind their faith so that the secular world arguments fail to shake their views.

I also believe that this is why there has been a resurgence in smaller churches and small worship groups.

4 posted on 07/29/2008 4:48:00 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: annalex

Bookmark for later reading.


5 posted on 07/29/2008 4:49:14 PM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: annalex

Great article. Bookmark.


7 posted on 07/29/2008 4:57:48 PM PDT by Pinkbell (”This guy is a jerk, an arrogant jerk. A Jerk Messiah.” - Rush talking about Obama)
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OK


8 posted on 07/29/2008 5:00:52 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
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Beautiful, just beautiful. Thank you so much for posting this. My best friend is an evangelical; I love her dearly. Her love of Christ really made a huge impression on me and helped me to love our Lord on a more personal level. I will always be grateful to her for that.

It saddens me beyond relief to see the hateful bickering that goes on between Catholics and Protestants on this site. I hope one day we will all be united. United, we can be a powerful force against evil in this world which so desperately needs the light of our Divine Savior.


9 posted on 07/29/2008 5:03:27 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has been born. Ronald Reagan)
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Now if the author of this piece would refrain from taking gratuitous slaps at evangelicals maybe we could get some real work done.


10 posted on 07/29/2008 5:07:08 PM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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One of the greatest books ever written in this regard is Newman's "Apologia Pro Vita Sua."

Newman begins by restating his opponents best case against Catholicism ... and his opponent is almost identical theologically to today's evangelicals.

After decimating Catholic belief from the evangelical point of view, he then rebuilds it step-by-step in an intellectual tour de force which takes accounts of all aspects of humanity ... not just the hyper-rational intellectual aspect.

I recommend it to everyone.

11 posted on 07/29/2008 5:09:36 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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For later.

The last edition of First Things talked of the Death of Protestant America. The author said it was basically between the Catholics and the Evangelicals.

My fear is that there are not enough orthodox Catholics and to many Rick Warren style Evangelicals to turn this country back from the abyss.

12 posted on 07/29/2008 5:12:12 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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I skimmed it my Brother and I love the way it’s going. Looking forward to the discussion.


13 posted on 07/29/2008 5:12:25 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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Excellent post!


14 posted on 07/29/2008 5:21:38 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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Actually, I believe the reason why Catholics and Evangelicals no longer are at odds with each other is simply because they’ve traded in their theology for a socialized gospel message. It is far more important to join forces on abortion or feeding the poor than it is to correctly teach the right understanding of the gospel. There isn’t much difference in the Church/church today than the American Red Cross.


18 posted on 07/29/2008 5:31:20 PM PDT by HarleyD
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What a wonderful, encouraging article!

Thank you for posting it!


29 posted on 07/29/2008 6:35:00 PM PDT by sneakers (Liberty is the answer to the human condition.)
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7. Secularism. With the collapse of the Mainline churches as the backbone of American religion over the past thirty years (since about 1975), Catholics and Evangelicals are the only ones left standing in this country to present the Gospel. Secularism is on the rise and is ruthless. Evangelicals are now learning that only Catholicism has the intellectual resources to combat the present secular age. And, with the pope, we have a pretty effective means for communicating the faith and representing it to the world. There is nothing an Evangelical can do that will match the power of one World Youth Day.

A moment of wretched honesty on my part. I watched World Youth Day from a distance - mostly from the threads posted by NYer - and I felt a bit of the terrible sting of envy. There is no doubt that there were tons of young Catholics being taught and/or exposed to traditional Catholicism in an exciting way. I wish I could see Reformation theology being presented in a similar way.

Promise Keepers was supposed to do that for Christian fathers and husbands, but ended up highjacked by the "purpose driven" evangelicals. There used to be great traveling Youth Convention called CYI (Christ in Youth). As a young Bible College student, I worked with this group, organizing, making flyers, putting together packets. It was a great success for a couple years in the late 90's... also highjacked.

The problem, in my opinion, isn't that "evangelicals" can't do anything, it's what "evangelicals" have become. It would be wonderful to see a return to sound theology by evangelicals from the social theology they presently follow. I know of no Reformed Christian that accepts the "purpose driven" drivel. I think that Catholics and Reformed Christians would have a tougher time reconciling, as our theology tends to be diametrically opposed.

Of course, I still think that we should have sane debate over our differences, as opposed to some of the stuff that goes on here, on other forums, and in the "marketplace." Call me crazy, but I like sane debate.
32 posted on 07/29/2008 6:43:20 PM PDT by raynearhood ("As for you, when wide awake you are asleep, and asleep when you write..." - Jerome)
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I am a Christian whose vehicle is Catholicism. To put aside internal bickering would be a godsend.


34 posted on 07/29/2008 7:00:53 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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Evangelicals are now learning that only Catholicism has the intellectual resources to combat the present secular age.

Uh, no. John MacArthur, R.C. Sproul, Ravi Zacharias, William Lane Craig, JP Moreland, Gary Habermas, Alvin Plantinga...to name just a few, are some of the best minds in America, perhaps in the world...and they are all Evangelicals.

37 posted on 07/29/2008 8:10:30 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Stunning article!


38 posted on 07/29/2008 9:31:21 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Some of us Protestants have also moved out of pietism and into the more rigorous neighborhoods of our own tradition. R. J. Rushdoony, the ArmEnian Calvinist, frequently cited, with respect, the work of Catholic scholars.


41 posted on 07/30/2008 12:59:36 AM PDT by RJR_fan (Winners and lovers shape the future. Whiners and losers TRY TO PREDICT IT.)
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Catholic Church itself, got a leg up and there was an explosion of books, magazines and websites that effectively undercut the arguments of the 5 Solas.

I haven't seen yet anything coming from the Catholic church that was or is effective...

With the apologetic movement hitting at the same time, Evangelicals were also confronted with Catholics who could argue from the Bible defending their faith and demonstrating the weaknesses of Evangelical interpretations of scripture.

Like crowning Mary with the title if Mediatrix and dispenser of Grace??? You couldn't defend nonsense like that even if Perry Mason was your Catholic attorney...

Evangelicals are now learning that only Catholicism has the intellectual resources to combat the present secular age.

Jesus said He wrote the Scripture to confound you intellectual giants...

There is nothing an Evangelical can do that will match the power of one World Youth Day.

That's true...A non Catholic wouldn't provide non Christian rock groups to lure the young, and then call it a spiritual happening...

It looks like this article was written for propaganda for CATHOLICS...

45 posted on 07/30/2008 5:23:47 AM PDT by Iscool (If Obama becomes the President, it will be an Obama-nation)
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Chuck Colson: once a politician, always a politician, working the political agenda.

Anyone whose "mind is blown" by Scott Hahn...well, that statement speaks for itself.

The funny thing is that if this foolish book portends a real shift in position by the "evangelicals," it's occurring at a time when Ratzinger is tightening the reigns of his own denomination and pronouncing all Protestant churches as "defective."

Apparently people don't change much at all. Nobody expects the Inquisition.

Except for the Inquisitors.

It's probably good in some respects that this political agenda now has been made so explicitly obvious that none can deny it.

Colson should stick to his prison ministry with felons in need of the Gospel. He's clearly blind to those held captive outside the steel bars.

54 posted on 07/30/2008 8:21:31 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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