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Evangelicals: Change of Heart toward Catholics
The Black Cordelias ^ | July 28, 2008 | The Black Cordelias

Posted on 07/29/2008 4:39:52 PM PDT by annalex

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To: sandyeggo
As a descendant of Polish and Italian immigrants who came here at the beginning of the 20th century, I can tell you that they faced more discriminations from the IRISH than any other group.

The fact remains that the Catholic Church was anti-republican until the second Council, and that the Catholic clerisy was traditionally politicized, which was antithetical to the founding ideas of this country. Now if you want to talk about discrimination against someone simply because of their religion (and I'm talking about individuals here), then yes, Catholics were unfairly targeted, along with Jews and Mormons. Nevertheless, the urban political machines that arose in the late 19th century were largely Catholic institutions. Moreover, I cannot fault the founders and other Americans of the 18th and 19th century for being suspicious of Catholic influence contra our Enlightened Republican form of government.

BTW: The increase in influence of the protestant clerisy during the second and third Great Awakenings was also greated with horror by true republicans. Religious belief was a right left to the people, but clericalism itself was a cancer to be fought.

62 posted on 07/30/2008 9:45:16 AM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: Bosco
The Roman Catholic church would experience unprecedented growth if it could just bring former Roman Catholics back to its fold.

The American Catholic church is experiencing unprecedented shrinkage - a net loss of 10 million+ members in the last year. While it's fair to say that Mainline Protestants are declining faster in terms of percentage, the Catholic Church has lost more in terms of overall numbers...

2008 Pew Study = 54m Catholics
2007 USCCB count = 64m Catholics

63 posted on 07/30/2008 9:52:10 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: rochester_veteran

Excepting a small but vocal percentage here.


65 posted on 07/30/2008 10:11:41 AM PDT by Jaded (Does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock

My lists:

1. That which I appreciate about the Roman Catholic Church: (a) Its geographic organization, (b) Its antiquity, (c) Its perseverence, (d) Its insistence on standards.

2. That which I criticize about the Roman Catholic Church: (a) Its handling of scripture, (b) Mariology in all its forms, (c) Pelagianism, (d) Unnecessary burdens, (e)opulence, (f) Rejection of Christian Unity.

The strengths do not overcome the weaknesses, because the handling of scripture and Mariology are not able to be overcome. Its Pelagianism undercuts the doctrines of grace.

Nonetheless, we all could learn from the RC insistence on standards within a tightly organized ship.


66 posted on 07/30/2008 10:13:24 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: rochester_veteran

You’re right. Catholics have been on the forefront of defending the unborn. I would have no problem working alongside any Catholic.


67 posted on 07/30/2008 10:16:21 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Alex Murphy

Many Catholic churches in our area have closed down. They say it’s a lack of priests.


68 posted on 07/30/2008 10:18:35 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Jaded

I bet even they would work alongside Catholics, even if we don’t believe the way Catholics believe (about extra-biblical doctrine). You can love others without agreeing with them.


69 posted on 07/30/2008 10:19:55 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg; Larry Lucido
shrinkage

I thought everyone knew about shrinkage.

70 posted on 07/30/2008 10:20:54 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Marysecretary
As a member of our Parish's Life Chain Committee, I can assure you that the vast majority of the local non-Catholic churches disagree with that. Two years ago the Southern Baptist minister who had in previous years signed the joint letter backed out because his fellow ministers directed him to do so. One other prominent Baptist minister told the committee that they would not participate in such a hot button issue because congregants would withhold donations and the pocket book was the bottom line.

The many of these same churches are participants in NY Yankee pitcher Andy Petite's little Youth Explosion shindig that he purchases for city.

71 posted on 07/30/2008 10:35:40 AM PDT by Jaded (Does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Protestant countries — the United States, England, most of western Europe, Australia. What do these countries have in common?...

...let’s see...what do they have in common? Why, except for the U.S., atheism...


72 posted on 07/30/2008 10:55:09 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Marysecretary; Jaded
I bet even they would work alongside Catholics, even if we don’t believe the way Catholics believe (about extra-biblical doctrine). You can love others without agreeing with them.

My sister worked with Evangelical Christians in the pro-life movement here in Rochester, NY for many years. I am promoting Evangelical/Catholic cooperation because we do share common goals, including spreading the word of Jesus Christ and defending the unborn.

I'm a conservative and a veteran (Vietnam Era). Both sets of my Grandparents came here in the earlier part of the 20th century from Lithuania. My Dad and my Uncles all fought in WWII. My brother also served and our nephews have done the same, including one who fought and was wounded in the Battle of Fallujah.

Our nation is facing the possiblity of having a radical socialist as President. Those of us of like mind need to stand together and do whatever we can to prevent turning our Constitutional Republic over to the radical socialists. An understanding, respect and cooperation between Evangelicals and Catholics could cement a block of voters who can defeat Obama and the radical socialists!

73 posted on 07/30/2008 10:56:41 AM PDT by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com)
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To: rochester_veteran

An understanding, respect and cooperation between Evangelicals and Catholics could cement a block of voters who can defeat Obama and the radical socialists!...

...hopefully your considerable writing skills can reach out to the good dr eckleburg and the others ‘amen’ing each other as they dole out headslaps to the Catholic Church...


74 posted on 07/30/2008 11:03:53 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: raynearhood
I think that Catholics and Reformed Christians would have a tougher time reconciling, as our theology tends to be diametrically opposed.

Read some Akin; he is good at drawing the fine distinctions between the two but also point out commonalities. I'd post his A TIPTOE THROUGH TULIP and JUSTIFICATION: "BY FAITH ALONE"? but it would be about the hundredth time these excellent articles are posted on FR.

Remember that most of what is said of Catholic Theology is anti-Catholic propaganda.

75 posted on 07/30/2008 11:24:54 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: diamond6

Agreed. we are all inthis together. We have to stand together and help each other, what with the Muslim whackos on one side and the secularists on the other.


76 posted on 07/30/2008 11:32:11 AM PDT by Cheesel (The Ark was built by amateurs, the Titanic by professionals.)
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To: stevio
bickering

I don't like this word. It tends to cover two different things, one good, the other bad. It is good and in the service of Christ to study the Holy Scripture, the teachings of the Fathers of the Church, the history of the Church, understand how different communities of faith interpret the scripture and what theologies they have. On that, so long as the Christiandom is divided there will not be an agreement, but it is still good that there is the knowledge of what the other side (or sides) teaches.

It is wholly unproductive to engage in propaganda, especially when the other side is misrepresented. In the case of the Catholic Church, this is the great service to mankind that the 1993 Catechism is: it has become a matter of finding or not finding something in the Catechism to dispel anti-Catholic myths.

77 posted on 07/30/2008 11:33:10 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: NYer
The Church cannot commit error.

Twelve hundred years of blood and sword, terror and torture, stand directly as evidence in opposition to your words.

78 posted on 07/30/2008 11:39:23 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Clemenza

The Church is silent on the question of social order. We do well under persecution, hostility, and we are happy to inform a government that wishes to be informed, no matter whar social form that has.

Of course Catholics are politicized: we have a command from God to teach all nations. A country that tells a Catholic to leave Catholicism at home as he walks into the ballot booth is no longer a free country. Likewise for Evangelicals.

Secularism of American founding Fathers is benign, because it was rooted in the non-establishment clause. The modern anti-constitutional secularism that is creeping in under the legal theories of separation of Church and state is something malignant and new, and it strikes at any Christian who takes his religion seriously. Hence the basis of cooperation and respect between the Evangelicals and the Catholics.


79 posted on 07/30/2008 11:43:07 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: RJR_fan
R. J. Rushdoony

Great man, the only thing wrong with him was his Calvinism.

80 posted on 07/30/2008 11:44:43 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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