Posted on 07/29/2008 4:39:52 PM PDT by annalex
Some of us Protestants have also moved out of pietism and into the more rigorous neighborhoods of our own tradition. R. J. Rushdoony, the ArmEnian Calvinist, frequently cited, with respect, the work of Catholic scholars.
I just can’t resist tossing Michael Horton into the pile....
Reformed and Catholic Christians both take the life of the mind seriously. American pietism denigrates the intellect, and consequently often looks, and acts, pretty stupid. (Can anybody say "Hal Lindsey?" or "Key 73?")
Emotional experiences, and false conversions, are easily induced by trained stage hypnotists ("every head bowed, every eye closed...") One of the most influential of these stage acts, Billy Graham, had enough integrity to do the math. His own statistics demonstrated, decades ago, that this approach to "evangelism" had a 96% defect rate. Only 4% of those who "went forward" at Graham's "crusades" actual demonstrated the genuine fruits of conversion.
A real conversion transforms the mind, as well as the "heart."
As if it is ONLY the liberal Protestants that are the worry. Orthodox Protestants OR orthodox Catholics would be better than the more liberal versions of either kind, IMHO.
I have my differences with my Catholic FRiends here (as some may have determined by now), but at the least we agree upon the Gospel and have the benefit of moral absolutes to start from. Our many differences aside, We all know right from wrong, honor our God, our fathers, and our forefathers ... Without those roots, it is all lost. Just as it is already gone in most of Christendom.
As to the main point of the article, I disagree. I am all for working together where it is possible, but I do not see a "coming together", nor do I think it desirable, until the coming of our Lord to set it all straight.
I haven't seen yet anything coming from the Catholic church that was or is effective...
With the apologetic movement hitting at the same time, Evangelicals were also confronted with Catholics who could argue from the Bible defending their faith and demonstrating the weaknesses of Evangelical interpretations of scripture.
Like crowning Mary with the title if Mediatrix and dispenser of Grace??? You couldn't defend nonsense like that even if Perry Mason was your Catholic attorney...
Evangelicals are now learning that only Catholicism has the intellectual resources to combat the present secular age.
Jesus said He wrote the Scripture to confound you intellectual giants...
There is nothing an Evangelical can do that will match the power of one World Youth Day.
That's true...A non Catholic wouldn't provide non Christian rock groups to lure the young, and then call it a spiritual happening...
It looks like this article was written for propaganda for CATHOLICS...
We will be united...When you become a Protestant...
The problem, in my opinion, isn't that "evangelicals" can't do anything, it's what "evangelicals" have become.
The problem, dear friend, is the lack of a central authority figure. This is true for ALL non-Catholic denominations, the Muslims and even the Jews. Jesus said: "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." He left St. Peter in charge to ensure His Church would continue until His return. He entrusted the guidance of His Church to the Holy Spirit and assured us all that "not even the gates of hell would prevail" (Matthew 16:18). The Church cannot commit error. Individual clergy may commit sins, even popes commit sins because in the Church there are both "weeds and wheat" (Matthew 13:30).
When Pope Benedict XVI speaks, the world listens. He is the humblest servant of all, the servant of the servants of God. That humility is beautifully exemplified in the address he delivered on the day of his election.
Apostolic Blessing "Urbi et Orbi" (April 19, 2005)
Dear Brothers and Sisters,
After the great Pope John Paul II, the Cardinals have elected me, a simple and humble labourer in the vineyard of the Lord.
The fact that the Lord knows how to work and to act even with inadequate instruments comforts me, and above all I entrust myself to your prayers.
Let us move forward in the joy of the Risen Lord, confident of his unfailing help. The Lord will help us and Mary, his Most Holy Mother, will be on our side. Thank you.
I am reading an excellent study of the doctrine in this book - "The God Who Justifies"
What does precious Andy Petite show these kids? How to lie publicly and get away with it. How do throw your ill father under the bus. How to lie in a deposition to congress. Oh and this is his father-in-law's church that is sponsoring this gala. The father-in-law has been the pastor of this church since the early 1970's. There is quite a power vacuum.
A number of the non-Catholic locals have been unhappy about this particular event for the last few years.
No, but thanks for asking.
The Roman Catholic church would experience unprecedented growth if it could just bring former Roman Catholics back to its fold.
You're right - it is propaganda.
What does that have to do with fighting secularism? That is a strange response to my comment.
There are a number of great Evangelical thinkers...high on that list of those now with the Lord, but whose writings continue to have influence is Francis Schaeffer!
Anyone whose "mind is blown" by Scott Hahn...well, that statement speaks for itself.
The funny thing is that if this foolish book portends a real shift in position by the "evangelicals," it's occurring at a time when Ratzinger is tightening the reigns of his own denomination and pronouncing all Protestant churches as "defective."
Apparently people don't change much at all. Nobody expects the Inquisition.
Except for the Inquisitors.
It's probably good in some respects that this political agenda now has been made so explicitly obvious that none can deny it.
Colson should stick to his prison ministry with felons in need of the Gospel. He's clearly blind to those held captive outside the steel bars.
Evangelicals are now learning that only Catholicism has the intellectual resources to combat the present secular age.
LOLOLOL!!!
This is hilarious, and points to the arrogant presumption of the RCC.
Let's see which churches have produced the most fruit...
Catholic countries -- South America, Central America, Italy, Mexico, southern Germany, France.
What do these countries have in common? Lethargy and a theology mired in mysticism, socialism and fascism.
Protestant countries -- the United States, England, most of western Europe, Australia. What do these countries have in common?
The Protestant work ethic, according to their Protestant heritage which upholds the Biblical truth that the good fruit of our work on earth is given by God and thus glorifies God.
I’ve made efforts to befriend and establish a fellowship with Evangelicals. My youngest son has done the same. Catholics and Evangelicals have so much in common with each other, including standing fast in defending the unborn.
AMEN! By the grace of God.
AMEN!!!
Either Christ alone justifies the ungodly through His righteousness and His obedience, or men justify themselves.
There really are only two perspectives regarding salvation -- Pelagian or unmerited mercy by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone for God's glory alone.
Amen
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