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Scripture, Tradition, and Rome (Part 1)
http://www.sfpulpit.com/2007/05/14/scripture-tradition-and-the-roman-catholic-church-part-1/ ^ | May 14th, 2007 | John MacArthur

Posted on 07/28/2008 4:07:43 AM PDT by Gamecock

The tendency to venerate tradition is very strong in religion. The world is filled with religions that have been following set traditions for hundreds—even thousands—of years. Cultures come and go, but religious tradition shows an amazing continuity.

In fact, many ancient religions—including Druidism, Native American religions, and several of the oriental cults—eschewed written records of their faith, preferring to pass down their legends and rituals and dogmas via word-of-mouth. Such religions usually treat their body of traditions as a de facto authority equal to other religions’ sacred writings.

Teaching as Doctrines the Precepts of Men

Even among the world’s religions that revere sacred writings, however, tradition and scripture are often blended. This is true in Hinduism, for example, where the ancient Vedas are the Scriptures, and traditions handed down by gurus round out the faith of most followers. Tradition in effect becomes a lens through which the written word is interpreted. Tradition therefore stands as the highest of all authorities, because it renders the only authoritative interpretation of the sacred writings.

This tendency to view tradition as supreme authority is not unique to pagan religions. Traditional Judaism, for example, follows the Scripture-plus-tradition paradigm. The familiar books of the Old Testament alone are viewed as Scripture, but true orthodoxy is actually defined by a collection of ancient rabbinical traditions known as the Talmud. In effect, the traditions of the Talmud carry an authority equal to or greater than that of the inspired Scriptures.

This is no recent development within Judaism. The Jews of Jesus’ day also placed tradition on an equal footing with Scripture. Rather, in effect, they made tradition superior to Scripture, because Scripture was interpreted by tradition and therefore made subject to it.

Whenever tradition is elevated to such a high level of authority, it inevitably becomes detrimental to the authority of Scripture. Jesus made this very point when he confronted the Jewish leaders. He showed that in many cases their traditions actually nullified Scripture. He therefore rebuked them in the harshest terms:

“Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far away from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’ Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” He was also saying to them, “You nicely set aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him be put to death’; but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, anything of mine you might have been helped by is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that” (Mk. 7:6-13).

It was inexcusable that tradition would be elevated to the level of Scripture in Judaism, because when God gave the law to Moses, it was in written form for a reason: to make it permanent and inviolable. The Lord made very plain that the truth He was revealing was not to be tampered with, augmented, or diminished in any way. His Word was the final authority in all matters: ”You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you” (Deut. 4:2).

They were to observe His commandments assiduously, and neither supplement nor abrogate them by any other kind of “authority”: “Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it” (Deut. 12:32).

So the revealed Word of God, and nothing else, was the supreme and sole authority in Judaism. This alone was the standard of truth delivered to them by God Himself. Moses was instructed to write down the very words God gave him (Exod. 34:27), and that written record of God’s Word became the basis for God’s covenant with the nation (Exod. 24:4,7). The written Word was placed in the Ark of the Covenant (Deut. 31:9), symbolizing its supreme authority in the lives and the worship of the Jews forever. God even told Moses’ successor, Joshua:

Be strong and very courageous; be careful to do according to all the law which Moses My servant commanded you; do not turn from it to the right or to the left, so that you may have success wherever you go. This book of the law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it (Josh. 1:7-8).

Of course, other books of inspired Scripture beside those written by Moses were later added to the Jewish canon—but this was a prerogative reserved by God alone. Sola Scriptura was therefore established in principle with the giving of the law. No tradition passed down by word of mouth, no rabbinical opinion, and no priestly innovation was to be accorded authority equal to the revealed Word of God as recorded in Scripture.

Solomon understood this principle: “Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words lest He reprove you, and you be proved a liar” (Prov. 30:5-6).

The Scriptures therefore were to be the one standard by which everyone who claimed to speak for God was tested: “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” (Isa. 8:20, KJV).

In short, tradition had no legitimate place of authority in the worship of Jehovah.

Everything was to be tested by the Word of God as recorded in the Scriptures. That’s why Jesus’ rebuke to the scribes and Pharisees was so harsh. Their very faith in Rabbinical tradition was in and of itself a serious transgression of the covenant and commandments of God (cf. Matt. 15:3).

The Rise and Ruin of Catholic Tradition

Unfortunately, Christianity has often followed the same tragic road as paganism and Judaism in its tendency to elevate tradition to a position of authority equal to or greater than Scripture. The Catholic Church in particular has its own body of tradition that functions exactly like the Jewish Talmud: it is the standard by which Scripture is to be interpreted. In effect, tradition supplants the voice of Scripture itself.

How did this happen? The earliest Church Fathers placed a strong emphasis on the authority of Scripture over verbal tradition. Fierce debates raged in the early church over such crucial matters as the deity of Christ, His two natures, the Trinity, and the doctrine of original sin. Early church councils settled those questions by appealing to Scripture as the highest of all authorities. The councils themselves did not merely issue ex cathedra decrees, but they reasoned things out by Scripture and made their rulings accordingly. The authority was in the appeal to Scripture, not in the councils per se.

Unfortunately, the question of Scriptural authority itself was not always clearly delineated in the early church, and as the church grew in power and influence, church leaders began to assert an authority that had no basis in Scripture. The church as an institution became in many people’s eyes the fountain of authority and the arbiter on all matters of truth. Appeals began to be made more often to tradition than to Scripture. As a result, extrabiblical doctrines were canonized and a body of truth that found no support in Scripture began to be asserted as infallibly true.

Roman Catholic doctrine is shot through with legends and dogmas and superstitions that have no biblical basis whatsoever. The stations of the cross, the veneration of saints and angels, the Marian doctrines such as the Immaculate Conception, the Assumption, and the notion that Mary is co-mediatrix with Christ—none of those doctrines can be substantiated by Scripture. They are the product of Roman Catholic tradition.

Officially, the Catholic Church is very straightforward about her blending of Scripture and tradition. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) acknowledges that the Roman Catholic Church “does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence” (CCC 82, emphasis added).

Tradition, according to Roman Catholicism, is therefore as much “the Word of God” as Scripture. According to the Catechism, Tradition and Scripture “are bound closely together and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing and move towards the same goal” (CCC 80). The “sacred deposit of faith”—this admixture of Scripture and tradition—was supposedly entrusted by the apostles to their successors (CCC 84), and “The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living, teaching office of the Church alone. . . . This means that the task of interpretation has been entrusted to the bishops in communion with the successor of Peter, the Bishop of Rome” (CCC 85).

The Catechism is quick to deny that this makes the Church’s teaching authority (called the magisterium) in any way superior to the Word of God itself (CCC 86). But it then goes on to warn the faithful that they must “read the Scripture within ‘the living tradition of the whole Church’” (CCC 113). The Catechism at this point quotes “a saying of the Fathers[:] Sacred Scripture is written principally in the Church’s heart rather than in documents and records, for the Church carries in her Tradition the living memorial of God’s Word” (CCC 113).

So in effect, tradition is not only made equal to Scripture; but it becomes the true Scripture, written not in documents, but mystically within the Church herself. And when the Church speaks, Her voice is heard as if it were the voice of God, giving the only true meaning to the words of the “documents and records.” Thus tradition utterly supplants and supersedes Scripture.


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1 posted on 07/28/2008 4:07:43 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Quix; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; Forest Keeper; ears_to_hear; wmfights; ...

An interesting read....


2 posted on 07/28/2008 4:10:12 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: John Leland 1789

Should have pinged you....


3 posted on 07/28/2008 4:25:07 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Gamecock

Thanks. Good read indeed. It’s a keeper.

I don’t really know how to keep everyone pinged on the stuff I post. Is there a specific mechanism for it?


4 posted on 07/28/2008 4:48:11 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789
There are numerous ping lists that are out there.

I don't know of any specifically aimed at this topic, so I just ping the folks who seem to be interested in such over the past few days.

5 posted on 07/28/2008 4:49:57 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Gamecock
So the revealed Word of God, and nothing else, was the supreme and sole authority in Judaism.

Not according to Jesus Christ, who instructed his apostles that the Pharisees - the champions of the oral law tradition of the Torah - were, despite their personal failings, authoritative teachers who sat "in the seat of Moses."

The champions of sola Scriptura in ancient Judaism were the Sadducees, who rejected the Prophets and the Writings as "apocrypha" and for whose authority Jesus had nothing kind to say.

The author seems to be quite ignorant of the theological world in which Jesus lived and is oblivious to Paul's full assessment of tradition and of ecclesiastical authority, giving a one-sided and carefully expurgated version of Scripture.

6 posted on 07/28/2008 4:58:55 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
Twisting and turning scripture on its head...

The seat of Moses? Try reading the verse in context.

Matt 23:1-12: “Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, v.2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. "Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. "For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. "But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. "They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, "greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.' "But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. "Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. "And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. "But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. "And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

Not exactly praise for those teaching tradition. But it does sound like the Catholic Church...

7 posted on 07/28/2008 5:33:57 AM PDT by Tao Yin (Hey, this thread isn't ecumenical)
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To: Tao Yin
The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. "Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do

That is Jesus' own command to His apostles.

The context erases nothing from the command.

Not exactly praise for those teaching tradition

His intent was not to praise the teachers, but to point out that they were authoritative teachers despite their less than exemplary behavior.

But it does sound like the Catholic Church...

And here bigotry overcomes the last feeble traces of acumen in your makeup.

8 posted on 07/28/2008 5:51:25 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake; Gamecock
Not according to Jesus Christ, who instructed his apostles that the Pharisees - the champions of the oral law tradition of the Torah - were, despite their personal failings, authoritative teachers who sat "in the seat of Moses."

The champions of sola Scriptura in ancient Judaism were the Sadducees, who rejected the Prophets and the Writings as "apocrypha" and for whose authority Jesus had nothing kind to say.

Irving's Law is sort-of-invoked - not sure how it applies since wideawake is taking the Pharisees' side, though!

9 posted on 07/28/2008 6:13:41 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
not sure how it applies since wideawake is taking the Pharisees' side, though!

I'm not taking the Pharisees' side.

I'm pointing out that Jesus accepted the Pharisees' authority as authentic while criticizing their behavior, yet He rejected the Sadduccees teaching as outright heretical.

10 posted on 07/28/2008 6:23:43 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake
I'm pointing out that Jesus accepted the Pharisees' authority as authentic while criticizing their behavior, yet He rejected the Sadduccees teaching as outright heretical.

Then why didn't Jesus (and later the apostles) submit to the Pharisees' authority?

11 posted on 07/28/2008 6:32:00 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Gamecock

Most of MacArthur’s “smears” against the RCC could have come from a book written by an RC that was given to me: Karl Adams’ “The Roots of the Reformation”. A review is in the works.


12 posted on 07/28/2008 6:34:39 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Then why didn't Jesus (and later the apostles) submit to the Pharisees' authority?

Jesus did not because, as he explained to the Apostles, the Pharisees sat "in Moses seat."

Jesus has more authority than Moses, by definition, and therefore could never be subject to the Pharisees' authority however legitimate.

The chief of the Apostles was subsequently given the keys to the kingdom of heaven by Jesus Himself as His appointed steward, an act which placed the Apostles above the Pharisees in authority.

Finally, Jesus removed the remaining vestiges of the authority of the Pharisees for all time when He rent the veil of the Temple at His crucifixion.

13 posted on 07/28/2008 6:55:32 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Gamecock

Looks like a good one.

Thx.


14 posted on 07/28/2008 7:57:19 AM PDT by Quix (key QUOTES POLS 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: Gamecock

Indeed, and not too surprising given what we read here on FR. Thanks for the ping.


15 posted on 07/28/2008 8:44:33 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Gamecock

BTTT


16 posted on 07/28/2008 8:56:57 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Gamecock

Yet another supposedly “Catholic” thread posted from a non-Catholic source and laden with errors.


17 posted on 07/28/2008 9:26:50 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: All

From the church where Mac teaches:

“My question is, can a Catholic priest actually be saved and remain a Catholic Priest?

John MacArthur’s Answer

Not if he believes the Catholic system. If he doesn’t, if he doesn’t accept their baggage. If he believes his salvation is provided only through grace by faith in Jesus Christ, he could be saved. But, if he accepts the full sweep of Catholic dogma, there’s no way. He has cluttered up the simplicity of salvation with a works/righteousness system. “

An interesting revelation here. Catholics cannot attain salvation. In light of the recent “Does Anti Catholicism Exist?”, and the intensive search for a FR Catholic that consigned a Protestant to hell. Here we have a Calvinist Protestant making no doubt about it. Hmm enlightening lol.
...the link http://www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/1301-X-13.htm


18 posted on 07/28/2008 10:22:07 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: rbmillerjr

***Catholics cannot attain salvation.***

Your words, not Mac’s.


19 posted on 07/28/2008 12:05:16 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Gamecock

From Macarthur’s words:

“But, if he accepts the full sweep of Catholic dogma, there’s no way.”

See the context above, he is speaking in regard salvation.


20 posted on 07/28/2008 12:16:30 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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