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Is Anti-Catholicism Dead? (Ques. Proposed by NY Times)
NY Times City Room Blog ^ | 7/23/2008 | Sewell Chan

Posted on 07/23/2008 2:47:21 PM PDT by Pyro7480

When Gov. Alfred E. Smith ran for president in 1928, his candidacy was derailed in large part by anti-Catholic prejudice. It has been nearly 48 years since John F. Kennedy became the first (and so far only) Roman Catholic president, but experts say that anti-Catholic sentiment — much of it originating in, or as a response to, immigrants in New York — remains an enduring force in American culture.

That was the consensus of a panel assembled at the Museum of the City of New York on Tuesday night to consider the question, “Is Anti-Catholicism Dead?

...The Rev. Richard John Neuhaus — a leading conservative intellectual, a former Lutheran pastor and the editor of the leading Catholic journal First Things — offered a surprising view on the question.

“To be a Catholic is not to be refused positions of influence in our society,” he said. “Indeed, one of the most acceptable things is to be a bad Catholic, and in the view of many people, the only good Catholic is a bad Catholic.”

...He added that anti-Catholicism was as likely to come from the left — sometimes from commentators who believe that a “threatening theological insurgency is engineered and directed by Catholics,” with evangelical Protestants merely as the movement’s “foot soldiers.”

(Excerpt) Read more at cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; anticatholicism; catholic; nytimes
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To: Gamecock; Alex Murphy; nobdysfool; Dr. Eckleburg; Manfred the Wonder Dawg
I move that Alex be named “Chief of GRPL Quote Attribution and Research.”

I second the motion. Great post, Alex!

281 posted on 07/26/2008 12:44:06 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Forest Keeper

You have my vote, Alex. It’s a heavy mantle to carry, but no one wears it with as much righteous daring as you. 8~)


282 posted on 07/26/2008 1:01:51 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy; Mad Dawg; Always Right
some Catholics on this board publicly disagreeing with annalex' statements

Start a database on them, too.

Seriously, I don't see anyone disagreeing with my posts on the impossibility of salvation outside of the Catholic Church. I see helpful comments that elaborate, but no disagreement. Which post, do you think, is in disagreement?

283 posted on 07/26/2008 1:02:27 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: vladimir998; Alex Murphy; annalex; Forest Keeper; Gamecock
ANNALEX: "You are hell bound, generally speaking, yes, by the fact of your being separated brethren."

ANNALEX: I know, for example, that as an anti-Catholic you cannot go to heaven."

VLAD: I still don’t see any automatic consignment to hell there.

LOLOL. You have just given a good example of Rome's habitual and tedious parsing of the language and of the blindness that goes hand-in-hand with believing a lie.

284 posted on 07/26/2008 1:07:14 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Forest Keeper

What’s “GRPL”?


285 posted on 07/26/2008 1:09:00 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; vladimir998; Alex Murphy; annalex; Forest Keeper; Gamecock

I agree with everything Vladimir, blessed by virtue of being Catholic with the gift of reading comprehension, posted in 222 regarding my posts in Alex’s database.


286 posted on 07/26/2008 1:14:07 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy

You wrote:

“LOLOL. You have just given a good example of Rome’s habitual and tedious parsing of the language and of the blindness that goes hand-in-hand with believing a lie.”

What you have given here is the usual Genevan kind of false claim when a Protestant fails to make the point he said he was going to make.

There’s no automatic consignment to hell there for someone just being a protestant - therefore Alex Murphy failed. Don’t like it? Too bad.

Complain all you like, but why don’t you just summon the courage to refute what I said? What, can’t do it?


287 posted on 07/26/2008 1:18:08 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: annalex

Thanks Annalex. It seems pretty clear to me that you do not believe Protestants are going to hell merely because they are Protestants. If a Protestant goes to hell it is for different reasons.


288 posted on 07/26/2008 1:21:49 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: annalex; Alex Murphy
A database won't do any good. We have all the evidence we need to show that they don't mean what they say and they insist they know better than we do what we say means.

Evidently the "salvation maybe" thread became too toxic even for the harpies so they came over here to see what else they can spoil.

BTW, the answer to the original question of this thread is that it's not dead, but it's very sick.

When the harpies show up it's time to leave. The meal is ruined as soon as they appear.

289 posted on 07/26/2008 1:24:34 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
GRPL=Great Reformed Ping List


290 posted on 07/26/2008 1:25:26 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: pgkdan

You have that right. The anti-Catholics are not shy when it comes to their bigotry. Apparently it is the only thing they talk about in their “churches” - can’t keep their minds on Jesus.


291 posted on 07/26/2008 1:35:20 PM PDT by Linden1209
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To: vladimir998
What you said was "refuted" by Annalex.

Nothing much more required to illustrate the truth of Alex Murphy's point.

Pray for eyes to see the difference between black and white.

292 posted on 07/26/2008 1:36:15 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: markomalley

“There is NO anti-Catholicism on Free Republic. None. Zero. Nada. Period-dot-end of story.
Anybody who says otherwise is just a tool of the Whore of Babylon.”

Funniest thing I’ve read in weeks. I’m taking a break from those threads for awhile. You feel obligated to defend your faith, but occasionally, you grow smaller against the “whore of Babylon crowd”.


293 posted on 07/26/2008 1:36:23 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: Mad Dawg

>>>When the harpies show up it’s time to leave. The meal is ruined as soon as they appear.<<<

Hey, wait a minute, I haven’t finished eating my boiled crow.


294 posted on 07/26/2008 1:39:02 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: Gamecock

Thnx


295 posted on 07/26/2008 1:41:13 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: vladimir998
you do not believe Protestants are going to hell merely because they are Protestants

Of course. Neither is, for example, a Muslim going to hell merely because he is a Muslim. A conscious informed rejection of the truths of the Catholic faith is what condemns to hell; the embrace of these truths, albeit with the last breath, is what saves a soul. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus.

296 posted on 07/26/2008 1:46:41 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; vladimir998
What you said was "refuted" by Annalex

You think I refute people without being aware of doing so? Am I that good?

297 posted on 07/26/2008 1:47:32 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: reagandemocrat
Okay, okay:



Looks like crow's back on the menu. boys!

298 posted on 07/26/2008 1:49:22 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Did you notice the anti-Catholic is putting some of you on the defensive? That is a popular tactic. We are bad, bad, bad and must be shown how correct/holy they are because they are above us in all ways. Pls don’t fall for the bait. We know our Religion and history. They make it up - even Jimmie wrote their “Bible” - must not have had anything to do.


299 posted on 07/26/2008 1:53:47 PM PDT by Linden1209
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To: annalex
There you go, parsing again. Don't you understand that words mean what THEY say they mean? If they say that when you said some Protestants go to hell you meant all Protestants go to hell, then that's what you said. Get over it.

The mind is totally depraved. What this means functionally is that reality is what a Protestant (or some of 'em) says it is, and any use of reason to show the contrary is a doomed instance of depravity, nothing more.

300 posted on 07/26/2008 1:54:53 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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