Mark, your errors pop up too often to be coincidence or even carelessness. It would seem, after so many instances like this, your misstatements are intentional.
You should be careful, or you'll be earning a reputation that's difficult to live down.
I posted the verses you requested in #5,447.
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory." -- Romans 9:22-23
"Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved." -- Ephesians 1:5-6
"The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." -- Proverbs 16:4
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" -- 1 Thessalonians 5:9
"And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed." -- 1 Peter 2:8 "What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Now, you may disagree with those verses, but they say what they say, and they were posted to you.
Mark often seems to repeat what he wants to hear, rather than what he's heard, as evidenced in this post.
Dr. Eckleburg, your errors pop up too often to be coincidence or even carelessness. It would seem, after so many instances like this, your misstatements about Catholicism are intentional.
I think both of these statements are "making it personal," but it's not my call.
Both statements will stand or fall on the RM's decision.
Mathew Chapter 7: 21-23
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?' Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.'
Your verses do not show predestination to hell.
***”What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory.” — Romans 9:22-23 ***
Nothing about hell.
***”Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.” — Ephesians 1:5-6 ***
Nothing about hell.
***”For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ” — 1 Thessalonians 5:9 ***
Nothing about hell.
***”And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.” — 1 Peter 2:8***
Even this bad translation of the KJV says nothing about hell, only that those who are not obediant to God will stumble against Jesus.
***”The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.” — Proverbs 16:4 ***
Let us go to the NAB for commentary: The favorable or unfavorable result of chance depends on God. Deciding strifes and doubts by lot was practiced by the ancient Hebrews; cf Exodus 28:15-30; Lev 16:8; Joshua 7:14; 1 Sam 10:20-21.
You have posted no verse that supports predestination to hell. You last attempt included a rather feeble attempt to make James support it. Your Calvin was a monster, creating monstrous theology in direct opposition to the love and the mercy of Christ. I do not know what anyone would support it; I believe that you love your family and that you are a good person. Why would you believe in a theology of death?
The wicked are born wicked
Psalm 9:17
they are sent to Hell