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Nobody disagrees with those verses. That doesn't change the fact that there is nothing in those verses that entitles anyone to pretend they are God, and claim to know who recieves salvation through Jesus. Remember that NOT all those who claim "Jesus, Jesus", are saved. That IS clearly in the bible.

Mathew Chapter 7: 21-23

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?' Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.'

I'm perfectly content to debate those verses endlessly.

Mark said I didn't answer his post, which even you now realize I most certainly did do.

MARKBSNR: I have asked the good Dr. E. to provide a list of verses that prove predestination to hell, but she has been unable to do so.

Not only did I provide the list in post 5,447, but Mark commented on it.

If Mark wants to reword his post to say that while I did post a list, he does not agree with that list, that's fine by me.

That doesn't change the fact that there is nothing in those verses that entitles anyone to pretend they are God, and claim to know who recieves salvation through Jesus.

No one is pretending to be God except for men who call themselves "another Christ" or people who mistakenly think there is a "co-redeemer."

Further, do you not know "who receives salvation through Jesus?" Is that a mystery to you?

"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." -- John 10:26-29

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened." -- Matthew 7:7-8

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.

What is "the will of the Father?"

"Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." -- John 6:29

Nope. There is some disagreement that they prove that some people are predestined to hell. That they exist, that they have meaning, we all agree. That they constitute a proof, on that there is some question.

A asks B for a glass of hot water.
B gives A a glass of cold water.
A asks B again for a glass of hot water.
B says, "You asked for water. I gave you water. You are making what must be an intentional error."

A and the onlookers fall on the floor laughing.