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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)
Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
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To: OLD REGGIE
Did you google Luther’s German translation of the Bible?
4,801
posted on
06/11/2008 8:03:26 AM PDT
by
Petronski
(Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
To: Marysecretary
***Im not following an angel of light.***
I’m not saying that you are. How do you know, though, if you do not follow the authority of the one institution that Jesus created for us?
***How do you even know that what your church teaches is the correct teaching? You dont, not really. You just believe them.***
Exactly. I have faith. Scripture and the Catechism and the history of the Church support that faith.
4,802
posted on
06/11/2008 8:04:17 AM PDT
by
MarkBsnr
( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
To: Judith Anne; Marysecretary
See what I mean? It wasnt sarcasm. Just the truth.
I agree Mary Secretary spoke the truth with just a hint of sarcasm. But then, she was dealing with the one line hit and runner, known for his hateful and nasty comments.
4,803
posted on
06/11/2008 8:04:47 AM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know no thing.)
To: Marysecretary
I think you’ll find the RM is very impartial about chastising every use of the word lie on this forum.
4,804
posted on
06/11/2008 8:05:11 AM PDT
by
Petronski
(Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
To: Petronski
Ah, yes, especially when he’s pinged by you.
To: OLD REGGIE; Religion Moderator
I agree Mary Secretary spoke the truth with just a hint of sarcasm. But then, she was dealing with the one line hit and runner, known for his hateful and nasty comments. You are describing a post in which Marysecretary was dealing with me. Please do not make this personal.
4,806
posted on
06/11/2008 8:06:53 AM PDT
by
Petronski
(Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
To: MarkBsnr
I, too, have faith and the scriptures uphold my faith.
To: Judith Anne
No, it’s just the truth. Not all Catholics know Jesus as their personal Saviour and not all Protestants do either. I’m an equal opportunity employer...
To: Petronski
Hellooooo. I don’t care what others think. I know I have free will.
To: Marysecretary; Petronski
Mine and millions of other believers. Im not alone in this belief. There are over a billion Catholics, nearly a quarter billion Orthodox, plus tens of millions of traditional Lutherans and Anglicans who DO NOT share your 16th century beliefs and haven't for nearly 2000 years.
4,810
posted on
06/11/2008 8:12:53 AM PDT
by
wagglebee
("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
To: MarkBsnr
Oh dearie me. Could it be true? I thought that the Bible proscribed homosexuality. If Calvin ignored that section of the Bible, could it be true that he ignored other sections?
Your screed has as much standing as Kcich Publications and belongs on the same Hate list. Carry on with your titillating filth.
4,811
posted on
06/11/2008 8:20:22 AM PDT
by
OLD REGGIE
(I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know no thing.)
To: Marysecretary
No, its just the truth. Not all Catholics know Jesus as their personal Saviour and not all Protestants do either. Im an equal opportunity employer And you claim to know the hearts of Catholics and Protestants, their intimate relationship with God, and the status of their salvation, or is that just conjecture based on the law of averages?
That post is presumptuous, judgemental, and bigoted in the extreme. Best if each one looks to their own relationship with God, and what sort of fruit s/he is bearing, rather than set him/herself up as the arbiter of another's salvation.
To: OLD REGGIE
4,813
posted on
06/11/2008 8:30:10 AM PDT
by
MarkBsnr
( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
To: OLD REGGIE
Are you saying that it is untrue?
4,814
posted on
06/11/2008 8:31:44 AM PDT
by
MarkBsnr
( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
To: Quix; Judith Anne
Judith Anne at 4721: God will judge the protestants who set themselves up as judges of how others love and serve Him. Of that, I am certain. Quix at 4785: Disbelieving Gods Word is a LOT more hazardous than taking God at His Word and believing Him emphatically.
Judging other people no matter who is doing the judging is hazardous indeed. God will use our own measures in judging us:
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. - Matthew 7:1-2
And we will be found guilty:
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. Romans 2:1
We should remember that thinking a thing is tantamount to actually doing it:
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Matthew 5:27-28
And so, even having a judgmental thought about another person should bring us to our Spiritual knees in repentance. Instead, we are responsible for judging matters. We Christians should never turn such issues over to secular authorities. And we Christians are only right-minded when we bear the personal damages and injuries.
Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather [suffer yourselves to] be defrauded? Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that [your] brethren. - I Corinthians 6:1-8
Even then, our judgment of matters must be blind:
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: [but] in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Leviticus 19:15 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24
There are two instances where we are to judge persons. And both of them are to protect the Church. The first is how to identify a false prophet so that we will know to ignore him.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. - Matthew 7:15-18 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23
If we do not see those fruits in the Spirit in the speaker, we must ignore him. That is not a carte blanche to punish him for what he said. But the other does involve punishment, and that is to banish an evil doer from the mortal fellowship of the Church.
It is reported commonly [that there is] fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, [concerning] him that hath so done this deed, In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Your glorying [is] not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?... For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. I Corinthians 5:1-13
This is a solemn and extremely hazardous responsibility because the measure used on the evil doer will be used on the ones passing judgment on him. So, dear brother in Christ, I very strongly agree with you. The most important thing we have to do (the one and only Great Commandment Matt 22) is to love God surpassingly above all else. If we do that, we will believe Him and we will trust Him.
And so, dear sister in Christ, I also very strongly agree with you. God will judge all of us (regardless of the label we wear) and He will use our own measures to do it.
To God be the glory!
To: Petronski
. . . on what does not exist.
4,816
posted on
06/11/2008 8:50:53 AM PDT
by
Quix
(GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
To: Marysecretary
4,817
posted on
06/11/2008 8:55:57 AM PDT
by
Petronski
(Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
To: Judith Anne
I don’t mean to be judging anyone but can you really say that ALL Catholics know the Lord? Of course you can’t. Neither do ALL Protestants. Get real here. I’m very practical. I would LOVE to believe ALL Catholics and ALL Protestants will be saved and in heaven but they won’t. That’s not judging them. That’s just speaking the truth. Many people all over the world in all kinds of religions will not be in heaven when they die. To believe otherwise is fantasy.
To: OLD REGGIE
Apparently we are referring to two different things.
Some who state they have learned sarcasm from Catholics have proven to be extremely apt pupils.
To: wagglebee
Gee, we believe what the Bible says about Jesus, salvation, heaven, how to live by His scriptural principles, etc., etc. Isn’t that enough? We don’t need the extra-biblical stuff like Mariology, infant baptism, the Eucharist as salvific. We have Jesus Christ. He goes all the way back to the beginning. Isn’t that good enough for you?
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