The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

[Marysecretary]

Don’t forget all those parades and feasts to her, especially in Catholic countries.

[Marysecretary]

that’s exactly what I mean. Too bad you can’t see it. Can’t believe in scripture and can’t believe that you have to have faith in Christ to get saved? What a pity.

[DungeonMaster]

"'O Mary, bright dawn of the new world, Mother of the living, to you do we entrust the cause of life: Look down, O Mother, upon the vast numbers of babies not allowed to be born, of the poor whose lives are made difficult, of men and women who are victims of brutal violence, of the elderly and the sick killed by indifference or out of misguided mercy. Grant that all who believe in your Son may proclaim the Gospel of life with honesty and love to the people of our time. Obtain for them the grace to accept that Gospel as a gift ever new, the joy of celebrating it with gratitude throughout their lives and the courage to bear witness to it resolutely, in order to build, together with all people of good will, the civilization of truth and love, to the praise and glory of God, the Creator and lover of life'" ( "John Paul II's Devotion to Mary," Inside the Vatican, Special Insert, May 1996).

Here is a worshipful quote from the pope putting her in charge of the spread of the gospel.

[wagglebee]

Can’t believe in scripture and can’t believe that you have to have faith in Christ to get saved? What a pity.

I fail to see where Petronski or ANY CATHOLIC has EVER expressed such a sentiment.

Not recognizing 16th Century MAN-MADE inventions DOES NOT indicate a disbelief in Scripture or a lack of faith. If anyone is to be pitied, it is they who believe otherwise.

[Petronski]

Can’t believe in scripture and can’t believe that you have to have faith in Christ to get saved?

That is not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth.

[Petronski]

Very nice.

Not dogma of the Catholic Church.

[Petronski]

...putting her in charge of the spread of the gospel.

It does no such thing.

[maryz]

Here is a worshipful quote from the pope putting her in charge of the spread of the gospel.

I thought all Christians were charged with the spread of the Gospel.

[Mr. K]

no, it’s meant to tweek the people who worship MARY instead of GOD (as they should)

sarcasm might be too subtle for some of them, though- but my comment IS THE GIST OF THEIR ARGUMENT (those who have replied to me, at least)

[Mr. K]

no, but it IS the reply I have gotten from others when asking why they would pray to Mary instead of God.

“Mary will ‘intercede’ on behalf of us”

[Petronski]

“Mary will ‘intercede’ on behalf of us”

She will.

[Antoninus]

Prayers are answered only by God through His Son. Give HIM the credit for the miraculous.

So if you have an illness and a bunch of people are praying for you, do you say "thank you" to them if you recover?

[Alex Murphy]

Mad Dawg: But if you're saying there is no collaboration among some on your side to make posts designed NOT to tell the truth, to put forward real arguments in a real quest for the truth, but to irritate, I won't believe you.

Reggie: I'm feeling left out.

Gamecock:If you're interested in joining the Vast Reformed Wing Conspiracy I can email the particulars.

We're having a meeting this weekend in Toledo but that 's all I can tell you in the open forum, after all I can't give away the gameplan.....

Everyone: set your decoder rings to 46-12-0N, 6-10-0E and be ready for your next assignment, agents!

[DungeonMaster]

It does no such thing.

Then what does it mean?

[Uri’el-2012]

I will take this to mean that you DO NOT subscribe to Christian Trinitarian beliefs.

I subscribe to the Holy word of Elohim.

I do not subscribe to Pagan babblings of the Roman church.

b'SHEM Yah'shua

[Petronski]

It means what it says, not what you claim it says.

[Petronski]

I do not subscribe to Pagan babblings of the Roman church.

Me neither. I'm Catholic. I believe in the Holy Trinity.

[mgist]

I want to share my experience with all of you who find a need to judge how others worship their God.

When I was about 11 years old, my friends grandmother told me the "Pope worships the devil". While I wasn't exactly enamoured with her Jehova Witness ideas, the devil scared me to death. Still does.

That was certainly a catalyst in my life that distanced me from my faith. Which in turn lead me to a very difficult adolecence.

Knowing that one of that grandmother's daughters killed herself, I now understand that there amy have mental health issues in that family. Now that the Blessed Mother brought me back to Jesus I pray that God forgive that poor grandmother, because she truly did not know what she was doing.

My point to all this is that we should be carefull with how we treat our brothers and sisters in Christ. God was very clear about how he feels when we turn others away from him. Please remember to love each other, first and foremost.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

MAD DAWG: But if you're saying there is no collaboration among some on your side to make posts designed NOT to tell the truth, to put forward real arguments in a real quest for the truth, but to irritate, I won't believe you.

REGGIE: I'm feeling left out.

GAMECOCK: If you're interested in joining the Vast Reformed Wing Conspiracy I can email the particulars.

We're having a meeting this weekend in Toledo but that 's all I can tell you in the open forum, after all I can't give away the gameplan.....

ALEX MURPHY: Everyone: set your decoder rings to 46-12-0N, 6-10-0E and be ready for your next assignment, agents!

Why am I always on the Refreshment Committee?

This time can I PLEASE not get stuck with bringing the doctored crab dip and Mickey Finn margaritas?

I'd much prefer to be on the Diversions & Disguises Panel. Something related to prosthetic noses and poison tattoos, perhaps.

Or I could sing. That seems to drive a lot of people over the edge.

[Quix]

She is . . . called a co-redeemer.
RCs pray to her,
make statues of her,
sing to and about her,
trust her with all of [their] troubles and cares,
ascribe very unusual charactaristics to her,
but......."we don't worship her".

Well put . . . though, as I've observed, they DO call her co-Redeemer. The Vatcan is well aware of what co- means in English and has chosen not to change it or discourage it's use in any document I've read. Therefore, the Vatican must think co- and it's attendant meaning in English is quite fitting and OK.

All this fancy footwork about the origins of co- in latin is, imho, just another example of flurry tactics, obsfucation, denial, rationalizing and the like. If it were otherwise, there would have been a definitive document from the Vatican instructing the faithful to avoid using co- in English and establishing an alternate term that meant no such hint of equality--exhorting all the faithful to never write or use co- again in any such references to Mary.

To my knowledge, the Vatican has published NO such document.

The only logical conclusion I can make from that, is, that the Vatican likes the implications of the meanings in English of co-.

This is typical of RC doubletalk on the part of some RC's. For argument's sake, some concocted white wash or window dressing is promulgated--strictly for argument's sake, evidently. While the core focus and actions remain unaltered and horrific on the part of a sizeable chunk of RC's. And the denial and rationalizations appear to deepen.