[Quix]

She is . . . called a co-redeemer.
RCs pray to her,
make statues of her,
sing to and about her,
trust her with all of [their] troubles and cares,
ascribe very unusual charactaristics to her,
but......."we don't worship her".

Well put . . . though, as I've observed, they DO call her co-Redeemer. The Vatcan is well aware of what co- means in English and has chosen not to change it or discourage it's use in any document I've read. Therefore, the Vatican must think co- and it's attendant meaning in English is quite fitting and OK.

All this fancy footwork about the origins of co- in latin is, imho, just another example of flurry tactics, obsfucation, denial, rationalizing and the like. If it were otherwise, there would have been a definitive document from the Vatican instructing the faithful to avoid using co- in English and establishing an alternate term that meant no such hint of equality--exhorting all the faithful to never write or use co- again in any such references to Mary.

To my knowledge, the Vatican has published NO such document.

The only logical conclusion I can make from that, is, that the Vatican likes the implications of the meanings in English of co-.

This is typical of RC doubletalk on the part of some RC's. For argument's sake, some concocted white wash or window dressing is promulgated--strictly for argument's sake, evidently. While the core focus and actions remain unaltered and horrific on the part of a sizeable chunk of RC's. And the denial and rationalizations appear to deepen.

[Petronski]

Amazing that you refer to precision in language as fancy footwork.

Of course, how else can the explanation be dismissed?

And it must be dismissed, since it eviscerates the false claims about the meaning of the proposed term.

[Petronski]

The only logical conclusion I can make from that, is, that the Vatican likes the implications of the meanings in English of co-.

Twisted logic like that is the real fancy footwork in action here.

[fortheDeclaration]

All this fancy footwork about the origins of co- in latin is, imho, just another example of flurry tactics, obsfucation, denial, rationalizing and the like. If it were otherwise, there would have been a definitive document from the Vatican instructing the faithful to avoid using co- in English and establishing an alternate term that meant no such hint of equality--exhorting all the faithful to never write or use co- again in any such references to Mary.

Amen.

That is a tactic of the RCC, always leave itself some 'wiggle' room to deny an blatent heresy, but wink at it on the side.

[John Leland 1789]

You are correct. Someone posted to me that “co” just means “with.” In the matter of Redemption, even “with” is an extreme position. But actually, “co-” is an equality thing. Co-presidents and co-directors, etc., have equality in office. If not, it would be vice presidents and vice director, etc. They don’t change this because they have actually exalted Mary to a position of equality with Christ.