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To: griffin
"AND, it wasn't just Luther that had questions about the deuterocanonical texts. MANY early Christians questioned their use as scripture....but it appears that by 393 the rcc was already trying to establish their political order and empire over Christianity....and the seed of corruption was sown. BTW...the deuterocanonical is not accepted by Jews either. You rcc are all by yourselves on this one."

Yup, and we're the only ones who got it right. Here are the facts---the Septaguint (the Greek version of the Jewish Scriptures) was the Bible that Christ and the Apostles used. Both Jesus and the Apostles taught from the "deuterocanonical books". AFTER the rise of Christianity, (and partly driven by that rise), the Jews decided to actually define their Canon. The criteria of selection were specifically chosen to minimize those texts that supported Christianity. So Luther chose a NON-CHRISTIAN canon over the original Christian one.

204 posted on 05/06/2008 7:12:48 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Try this. Maccabees was included to provide a foundation with which to establish a hierarchical system over His people. Christ was not a big proponent of this. Did the Lord ever desire a King over Israel? No. But He gave them one due to their unbelief.

He knows that people are ALL fallible. If people are fallible and imperfect and subject to corruption, so will their institutions be, especially when they wield supreme executive power. That is where the rcc has remained since 393; a corrupt, greedy and power hungry political institution, lacking in the feeding of Christ's people and unable to guide them. The evidence is in the way the people conduct themselves.

Mary and saint worship...when Christ is our one and only mediator with the Father. What the heck are you guys thinking going to others when you can go directly to the main Man!? Why do you need a priest to confess....when we're charged to confess to one another!? You guys waste so much of your time on other heretical ‘holy’ acts instead of doing the one thing you were created to do....Bring glory to Christ in praise and worship in EVERYTHING you do.

The rcc has a very dark past. You need to open your eyes and see who you're blindly following into hell.

209 posted on 05/07/2008 8:14:20 AM PDT by griffin
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