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Posted on 04/29/2008 6:06:04 AM PDT by restornu
Ancient writings unearthed in the last century and a half, primarily in Egypt, are lending support to doctrines and teachings of Joseph Smith, founder of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a Brigham Young University professor of antiquities said Sunday.
C. Wilford Griggs, who has written extensively on Egypt and is working on excavating Christian burial grounds in Egypt, said scholars are now admitting that "Joseph Smith got into the antiquities" before experts in the field began their discoveries, but they won't accept his explanation.
Smith, an uneducated farm boy, claimed he translated the Book of Mormon from ancient gold plates using instruments given him by an angel, but scholars are refusing to believe that, Griggs said during a fireside, "Joseph Smith and the Egyptian Connection," at the Pleasant Grove Manila Stake Center. Some of the ancient writings have been found in the past few years.
Many scholars are now admitting that the book accepted as scripture by church members is an ancient book, but as one scholar of antiquities told Griggs, he had no problem with the gold plates and Smith's story would be acceptable "if you'd get rid of that angel."
Anciently, the fountain of Christian knowledge was Egypt and the Mediterranean region and for about 1,000 years 90 percent of the people were in the faith "until they were converted to Islam by the sword," he said.
"We are being flooded with (ancient) writings," Griggs said, describing many as coming from the biblical New Testament period. Many of the writings, now totaling about 8,000, are on papyri, but others are on metal plates. None are exactly alike, which lends historical credence to the finds.
The apostles scattered throughout the known world and established pockets of Christianity after the time of Jesus Christ, including Egypt, he said. Some of the best early Christian records were found in Egypt, where they survived because of the climate.
The traditional concept that the Bible is complete came about 400 A.D., he said. Before then Christians knew that many other writings existed.
Many of the Christian teachings found in Egyptian digs that are shared in common with Smith's teachings have to do with the temple "and how the heavens can be open to us," Griggs said.
Among those findings is the teaching of baptism by proxy for folks who have died without learning of Christ and his gospel, which centers on the resurrection.
Anciently, baptism was known as a "sealing" to go to heaven, he said. The word "sealing" is used today in LDS temples in similar fashion.
Most of the writings which have now been found were secret anciently and held back from the people until they proved their worthiness.
Some speak of the potential of their divinity, also a common theme Smith taught, which the first LDS prophet said was given to him by revelation.
"Several of the gospels ... show that revelation was alive and well in the ancient world. Revelation was a keystone," Griggs said.
Yet centuries later, revelation and temples were denounced by religious leaders, including Augustine, as unnecessary.
College kids smoking a joint is "shocking", but having your fifteen year old sister married off to a fifty year old man with three other "wives" is normal.
Smoking a joint in Bible Study was rather a shock for all of us.
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I’m still waiting for one of the Mormons to answer the question I posed in #131. It’s a very simple question and it’s multiple choice.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2008574/posts?page=131#131
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because one don't like something one thinks they can trash it all they want with out regards if it really accurate.
I sure do NOT want to SPECULATE!!
Just WHAT was UNTRUE about PRESBYTERIANISM that Joseph Smith claimed to have 'learned'???
Well I sure want ACCURACY!!
What was FALSE in the MOVIE; since the "UNTRUTH's of PRESBYTERIANISM" seems to be beyond your grasp.
"You need more wives."
Are you REALLY expecting ANY kind of linked, rational thoughts here?
I rest my case!
It’s rather ironic isn’t it? As a Catholic, I would have no problem telling you where we disagree with the Presbyterians, so could Lutherans, Baptists or Anglicans. There are literally thousands of threads on FR where you can read EVERY theological difference that exists among Christians. So, why can’t the Mormons tell us what is “untrue” about Presbyterianism? After all, itt’s in their literature.
Maybe I’m being insensitive, but “Telestial incline” and the other Mormon “stratospheres” all sound like the names of ski slopes to me.
Then you are in LUCK!
It is an 'Expose Mormon Origins' thread.
Where there any CURELOMs mentioned?
I love JESUS!!!
You are a mere Gentile - one to be confounded.
* after YOU 'do' all YOU can 'do'!
Don’t forget old James Dee Harmston, my high school mate who formed TLC in Manti. Wife Elaine was also in my class. Can’t believe she fell for it. He was always a horn dog. Remember when you want to whore around on your wife, just start a church and call it revelation.
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