FLDS Parents Could Face Charges for Abandoning their "Lost Boys"

KCPW News ^ | February 14, 2008

[Zakeet]

They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.

"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."

H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.

"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."

Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.

[Elsie]

Of course, then you get into the concept of missionary work being done in the life to come, temple work to provide the saving ordinances by proxy, and the grandness of the fullness of the Plan of Salvation.

Yeah!

That's just what I said!

MormonDude(Glad there are so MANY of us!)

[Elsie]

Men have, over the centuries, redefined what it means to be a Christian.

I glad you acknowledge that the LDS Organization® based in SLC, has done just what you've said.

[Elsie]

That’s why He gives them every opportunity to accept Him - even beyond this life.

Jesus words, recorded in 'The Book', disagree with this assumption:

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Luke 16:19-31
 19.  "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.
 20.  At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores
 21.  and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
 22.  "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried.
 23.  In hell,  where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
 24.  So he called to him, `Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
 25.  "But Abraham replied, `Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
 26.  And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
 27.  "He answered, `Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house,
 28.  for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
 29.  "Abraham replied, `They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
 30.  "`No, father Abraham,' he said, `but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
 31.  "He said to him, `If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"

 

 

[P-Marlowe]

Well, the tradition is wrong. So, I proclaim that I’m not a traditional Christian, because then I would be wrong too.

You're starting to get the picture.

Christianity has embraced falsehood after falsehood, then gotten together and said

Let me reprhrase that:

Christianity MORMONISM has embraced falsehood after falsehood, then gotten together and said:

"Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the Church of the Lamb of God [the Mormon Church] and the other is the church of the devil [All other Churches]; wherefore whosoever belongeth not to the church of the lamb of God belongeth to that great church; which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth." (The Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10).

If you are insistent that we worship different Christs, fine, I’ll stick with my Jesus,

So we finally are in agreement that your Jesus is not the Jesus of Christianity. So you stick with YOUR Jesus. You can join Ghandi in the Hindu Celestial Kingdom.

You are no one to proclaim that Ghandi will burn in Hell, and you are no one to proclaim that Christ will not save me.

I don't know Ghandi went to hell, but I do know that those who reject Christ, as he did, have been promised eternal damnation (with weeping and gnashing of teeth) by none other than Jesus Christ. His works sure as hell are not going to save him, and he never showed any indication that he dropped his polytheistic Hinduism to worship the real Christ.

[Marysecretary]

Indeed. That movie on this thread was an eye opener. What bondage these people have suffered.

[greyfoxx39]

Placemark

[Godzilla]

Indeed. That movie on this thread was an eye opener. What bondage these people have suffered.

What has even been more of an eyeopener is the silence and indifference on the part of their mormon brethern

[Marysecretary]

Sometimes people just want to ignore the facts.

[Godzilla]

Sometimes people just want to ignore the facts.

And their silence here is loud too.

[MHGinTN]

“Did I ever tell you how charming you are when you use the word “Mormon” as an epithet?” If you aren’t too lazy to do it, go back and read the sentence. There is a comma prior to the word ‘Mormon’. The word ‘Mormon’ is also capitalized. If you wish to characterize that word as an epithet, capitalized and set apart referentially in the sentence, well, that’s your illiterate problem, Mormon.

[nicmarlo]

OMM: What I actually said was that anyone who equated plural marriage and child abuse needs professional help. Plural marriage is illegal in the United States. Child abuse is both illegal and immoral and dastardly. Now if you and your ilk care to make some more lies about what I said, go ahead.

Child abuse IS illegal and immoral. However, that is separate from the comment made by pby who specifically commented on the prophets' polygamy with teenage girls. Moreover......subjecting teenage girls to polygamy is illegal, immoral, and abusive, just as it is concerning ANY female, if one calls himself a Christian.

However, it has been noticeably absent your condemnation of plural marriage being abusive to women, in addition to the fact that you have yet to condemn the prophets' actions of taking multiple wives, many of whom were but teen girls, and many of whom were ALSO married to other men. Even your latest post excludes POLYGAMY as immoral, although the New Testament clearly states that Christian leaders are to have but ONE WIFE....something you yourself apparently still don't think is immoral and do not condemn; in fact, you still haven't even condemned the polyandrous marriages of the "prophets," which is way beyond "just plural marriage."

Your own words, and silence on these abominations, speak volumes:

1 Timonthy 3:

1 Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task. 2 Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife...

12 A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well. 13 Those who have served well gain an excellent standing and great assurance in their faith in Christ Jesus.

[pby]

C'mon...

Look at posts 88, 89, 1033 and 1037.

I posted about polygamous marriage with teenage girls and you responded that it was insane to equate this with child abuse and that anybody who did was an idiot. Go look...it is there. I even reposted it and gave you a chance to relent...but you did not.

Now...answer the questions that were posed to you: Does polygamous marriage, with teenage girls, constitute child abuse?

And...does polygamous marriage, with adult women, constitute abuse?

And...did Joseph Smith commit child abuse when he married multiple teenage girls?

You are hiding behind your baseless allegations of lying. No lying, or misrepresentations of what you said, have occurred...just answer the plain questions and your specific positions on the issue of polygamy will be clarified for all to accurately see.

[MHGinTN]

"Grace comes by faith." taunti boo

When one awakens on the other side of death, there will be no obstacle to truth, no lie will stand. Therefore, faith is the stuff, the substance, the thing we may exercise on this side of death, not the other side. Mormons err in that they are continually trying to define God in terms which will make their false religion true. God's Grace in Christ doesn't work that way ... faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. Think of how many scripture verses Mormons like tantiboh must twist to falsehood levels in order to substantiate thier false beliefs such as the 'eventual salvation of Ghandi' ... and they do this to reassure themselves that they are not going to be judged for putting off being born again until 'after all that they can do, first!'

A final note: not liking Christians is not to be equated with not accdepting Christ. But of course, THAT is not what the poster was trying to accomplish with his condescending scrapple, as evidenced with his comments.

[pby]

...Like it is even possible to love Christ but hate His Bride.

[MHGinTN]

Well, the wiles of Satan are such that it is possible to be in the dark regarding the Bride of Christ but still trust in the Bridegroom. I don’t Ghandi is such an example however, based upon his stated beliefs which granted only ‘another good man’ status to Jesus. Many Hindi believe Jesus was an Avatar, one of many Avatars they believe have lived to guide humankind in various ages.

[pby]

Why is it, that in many cases (such as polygamy, salvation, atonement, contradictions in Mormon scriptures, failed Mormon prophecies, and etc.), Mormons will not, or cannot, answer the specific questions?

Why can't Mormons just answer the specific questions with a direct answer?

Previous threads, and this thread, even in the last several posts, have been rife with examples of Mormon non-answers (and/or silence).

[pby]

You and I are in agreement about Gandhi.

As the Bible clearly points out, one cannot reject faith in the Jesus Christ of the Bible, who claimed to be God and the Way, and not suffer eternal damnation.

I just find it amusing/perplexing that people (Mormons, emergents, self-described/so-called "christians", or whomever) can state that they love Christ...just not Christians.

Given the New Testament, it is utterly illogical and a complete impossibility.

[Elsie]

"What he was most impressed with was in the inside. There were writings, but he did not recognize it. He said it looked similar to hieroglyphics -  Egyptian hieroglyphics," explains Charlotte.

 

 

http://www.kltv.com/global/story.asp?s=7924765

 

Calling Joseph Smith!!

[Old Mountain man]

We are tired of answering your so-called direct questions because you then turn around and misrepresent and lie about what was said in response. I am done with answering anything you pose now or in the future. I will assume you post garbage and that it is not worth my time.