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email from Randall Easter | 25 January 2008 | Randall Easter

Posted on 01/27/2008 7:56:14 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg

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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis
But the premise is that not all dimensions are perceptible or even conceivable by men, so how can that supposition not be vague? Besides, I only use that as a possibility for God existing without taking up "space". :)

Then there's the Psalm which in the Dawg translation reads, "Back OFF, God, you're crowding me! Jeeze!" He takes up no space put He can sho' press the breath out of you, can't He?

This is, maybe, me at my persnicketiest (let me run upstairs and get my tweeds on and my half-glasses and a battered pipe ... okay, I'm back): I complain about the word "dimension" because it has a meaning (darned if I can say what it is -- but that "mens" sure sounds like "measure" to me, which sure sounds like it has "extent"). And just as we can do useful geometry on the premise that two lines in a plane and both perpendicular to a third line still meet at some point, so we can do comprehensible (to some, not to me) but unimaginable (strictly speaking) analytical geometry on the basis of x,y,z,t,and some other dimension(s) perpendicular to all the others..

All that work is going to require that the dimension be measurable. That may sound like special pleading or an insistence on a pedantic or technical use, but in allegedly real life when we ask for the dimensions of something we mean precisely it's measurement in different "senses" or directions.

So to speak of a dimension that doesn't involve "taking up 'space'" at least risks being almost as meaningless as Chomsky's "colorless green ideas" (which as you may recall, "sleep furiously".)

I think the reason I get all snotty about it is that, while everyone knows that 99 44/100's of what I say is meaningless on its face, the word 'dimension' gives an aura or impression of meaning which is I think, false and misleading.

As to His taking up no space: Roger that. He fills the whole world and by His filling it things which do "take up 'space'" may exist.

Actually, I'm just seeing that maybe there is a link between the "God does not exist" cry of the radical monotheist and the vague use of dimension (where vague is descriptive, not judgmental -- well, not much anyway). I think by your measureless dimension you are headed in the same direction as we are with our non-existent being. But, of course, we're right an you're not, nyah.

Oh Lord, I'm arguing with lawyers. Where's that pillar of fire when I need it?

4,461 posted on 03/25/2008 7:28:36 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Forest Keeper
Thanks, and it looks like I should have pinged you to 4,451. (Sorry :)

Well, it'll be hard, but in the spirit of the season and all, I just MAY find it in my wizened and shrivelled heart of stone to forgive you. Let me get back to you on that.

I suppose I am postulating that there is a real difference between change/motion and "something happening".

Think about it real hard -- not that you haven't, but harder still, please. How is "happening" thought of without change? Isn't it that something "was"n't there and "now" it is, or it "was" this way and "now" it's that way.

I fully agree that God has never gone from things like good to better, or OK to not so OK, but I don't think that necessarily means that nothing was going on before He created.

I think (JUST my problem, not saying I'm right) that you have to be careful to remain aware of the "colorless green idea" possibility. Yeah, God and what He does is/are incomprehensible. Most of the struggle is to see how much we can say with the appearance of coherence before we hit a wall. But I myself don't think we can get very far with stuff going on or happening without something changin in some respect.

4,462 posted on 03/25/2008 7:35:52 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Garlic on Lamb ?????????????

Yuck...

I had Lamb for Easter, but I cooked it the British way...

NO GARLIC

WELL DONE...

With Mint Sauce...


4,463 posted on 03/25/2008 7:37:05 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: stfassisi
I will give you that about modern Liberalism, so-called, but not about "liberal" as in "of or pertaining to freedom". I think the resuscitation of TRUE liberalism in the west by such as Albert, Aquinas,Erasmus, More, Mirandola, and even Montaigne (much later) affirms the God-given dignity of humanity and that the crown of that dignity is obedience to God.

Modern pseudo-liberalism is more about license than freedom and wants everything to be okay and immediately displays the impossibility of that desire by coming down with viciousness, repression, and slaughter on anyone who disagrees or whose existence is inconvenient.

4,464 posted on 03/25/2008 7:41:47 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
“”Modern pseudo-liberalism is more about license than freedom and wants everything to be okay and immediately displays the impossibility of that desire by coming down with viciousness, repression, and slaughter on anyone who disagrees or whose existence is inconvenient.””

Agreed! All of which is a product of the “virus of Plauralism” -got the seed from the reformation, sprouted in the enlightenment and is a monster today

4,465 posted on 03/25/2008 12:31:47 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: Tennessee Nana; MarkBsnr; irishtenor
Because I ran sheep for a little over a decade, I have eaten a BUNCH of lamb! What a hardship &38212; NOT!

Anyway, A lady named Barbara Kafka has a great way to roast a leg in a HURRY (at like 475 degrees) and I'm all over cutting slivers of garlic, piercing the leg and sliding the slivers in. It's also good to rub the leg with cracked pepper and soy sauce.

Mind you, the "English way" is fine, but when you have a lot of legs of lamb in the freezer you start getting fancy.

4,466 posted on 03/25/2008 12:57:17 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
A very good lecture from one of my favorite history professor's

http://jcrao.freeshell.org/Vitalism-Pluralism

4,467 posted on 03/25/2008 1:08:55 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: Forest Keeper; Marysecretary; kosta50; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor; wmfights; ...
To them that is irrelevant and I have been told, in essence, that they believe it would be better for the person to rot in hell having never believed, than to be led to the Lord by a Protestant missionary.

Yet we are having tremendous success south of the border. This thinking indicates a lack of confidence to evangelize those that come. Yet they claim an exclusivity to the truth.

IIRC, Scripture tells us about the vine that does not bear good fruit. I think it gets cut off and the branches that will bear fruit get grafted in.

4,468 posted on 03/25/2008 1:45:24 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: Mad Dawg

We had lots of sheep when I was young...

We ate lamb or mutton about 4 days a week...

there was no fancy way needed...

Roast Mutton, Shepherd’s Pie, Lamb chops, etc...

NEVER any garlic...

And always well done...


4,469 posted on 03/25/2008 1:46:02 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Mad Dawg; blue-duncan
God beheld Adam and said, "very good -- except he's not aggravated enough ...."

Or?

God decided it was time for aspirin to be found.

4,470 posted on 03/25/2008 1:50:20 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: Tennessee Nana

***I had Lamb for Easter, but I cooked it the British way...***

May the Lord have mercy upon your soul. The British can cook exactly nothing right except for salmon.

Mint sauce? Poisonous green toxic waste? Lamb is Middle East, not British.

If you would like, Freepmail me and I will send you a recipe for lamb that will surpass anything that you’ve come up against before.

p.s. mint sauce needs to be made of real mint leaves and not the stuff in a jar. And used sparingly.


4,471 posted on 03/25/2008 2:56:22 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

mint sauce needs to be made of real mint leaves
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Of course...


4,472 posted on 03/25/2008 3:02:20 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: MarkBsnr

The British can cook exactly nothing right except for salmon.
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Salmon are Canadian...


4,473 posted on 03/25/2008 3:03:59 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: MarkBsnr

I bet you dont even know how to make a decent cup of tea...

have you ever heard of heating the tea pot with hot water first ???

Do you even OWN a tea pot ??????

And NO dumb lemon slices...

Milk and sugar

In the States, 2% milk works best


4,474 posted on 03/25/2008 3:06:37 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
***And NO dumb lemon slices...***

All my lemon slices are smart.

Sugar and milk? Barbaric!

4,475 posted on 03/25/2008 6:00:42 PM PDT by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: irishtenor

Sugar and milk? Barbaric!
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My English ancestors could be called barbaric...

but not their way of making a decent cuppa...


4,476 posted on 03/25/2008 6:08:14 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

LOL. I drink my coffee, and my tea, straight. Unless, of course, it is iced, then I HAVE to have a slice of lemon.

Funny, I’m from the south, yet I don’t drink sweet tea, and I live in Seattle, and I don’t drink lattes. Go figure :>)


4,477 posted on 03/25/2008 6:31:32 PM PDT by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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To: Forest Keeper

How sad is that? Sending a person to hell is better than coming to know the true and living Lord through a missionary? How heretic is that????


4,478 posted on 03/25/2008 8:37:48 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Mad Dawg; irishtenor; Tennessee Nana

Barbara Kafka’s book on roasting is held in high esteem in my house.

The oven is set to 500 F; I hold the line at kosher salt and garlic. I like soy, but I think that it tends to burn too easily during extended roasting.


4,479 posted on 03/26/2008 6:20:05 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

***We ate lamb or mutton about 4 days a week...

there was no fancy way needed...

Roast Mutton, Shepherd’s Pie, Lamb chops, etc...

NEVER any garlic...

And always well done...***

Horrors. A good fresh lamb needs only be done to medium rare.


4,480 posted on 03/26/2008 6:21:55 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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