Posted on 03/04/2007 8:21:23 AM PST by Iscool
The Blessed Virgin Mary is not a goddess, but rather the Mother of Jesus Christ, both man and God.
Even your Bible has the words. You believe in the Bible, so why don't you believe in these words?
'Blessed [art] thou among women, and blessed [is] the fruit of thy womb.
It happens to all of us. Don't be so hard on yourself!
So it appears that we agree that the apostles and disciples did get together to observe the Sabbath on Saturdays.
What you don't acknowledge is that they then got together on Sundays to observe the new Christianity because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday -- the third day after his death on the Cross.
As well, was and....did Our Lord.
Then to celebrate and observe their belief in Christ they got together on Sunday and blessed the bread and wine as Christ had instructed them to do in remembrance of him. Thus, the celebration of Sundays began with the Apostles.
This is totally unscriptural and never happened. You will be unable to provide one verse that would even hint of this. This is a totally false doctrine established by your Magesterium to justify the observance of "Sol Invictus".... as had your Roman predecessors.
And as your statement in post #2154, this one is equally false. Our Lord resurrected "Late on Sabbath" [Matthew 28:1]. The false doctrine you are trumpeting is easily dismissed by a casual read of scripture.
I'll pray for you, because thoe people in the Magisterium knew a lot more about how things went in the early church that I (or you) might know at this time.
Have a blessed Saturday, then!
When Mary gave birth to Jesus he was not a God. He was a little human baby.
'Blessed [art] thou among women, and blessed [is] the fruit of thy womb.
The above is indeed the correct translation. No where in scripture is Mary ever called "Most Blessed" as your original post suggested....she is called "Blessed".
Only one time in scripture is any woman called "Most Blessed"....or "Blessed" above women....and that is "Jael" in [Judges 5:24].
Well.....the Magesterium still exists through the Pope and his Bishops who are in communion with him. I really doubt that they have any better view of early church history than I. The reason they cannot seem to get things right... and continually trip over their false doctrine, is their belief in a lie! And that lie is the Sunday Resurrection theory and the false day and a half affair you folks call Easter.
It is troubling to me because it furthers the allegation that Mary receives more glory than Jesus in Catholic doctrine and traditions when surely that is not true – as many have testified here on the forum.
Also the understanding that holy water is “living water” is Spiritually incorrect. The living water is the Holy Spirit Himself as shown in this sequence of revelations:
Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass: Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. [He is] the Rock, his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] he. – Deu 32:1-4
And [if] thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness [be] as the noonday: And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not. – Isaiah 58:10-11
For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, [and] hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. – Jer 2:13
Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. – John 4:10-14
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. – John 7:38
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. – 1 Cor 10:1-4
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. – Rev 21:6
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. – Rev 22:1
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. – Rev 22:17
Jesus wasn't resurrected on Sunday, btw. And even if He had been, it is still not justification from breaking one of God's commandments.
I have no idea where this came from. I know of no Christians who do any such thing! Giving credit where credit is due, at least the author calls us Christians!
No, she can't!
***When Mary gave birth to Jesus he was not a God. He was a little human baby.***
Do you believe that Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity? If so, He is God. If Mary is His mother, she is the mother of God (the second person of the Trinity). It is really quite simple.
Now, if you DON'T believe that Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity, then you believe in Nestorianism, a heresy that claims that Jesus was just a human man and not God. This heresy was rebutted at the Council of Ephesus in 431 A.D. with the doctrine that Mary is "Theotokos," the "God-bearer." This description of Mary is really all about Jesus, because it defines His nature and who He is.
No!
If so, He is God. If Mary is His mother, she is the mother of God (the second person of the Trinity). It is really quite simple.
What's really simple is what the Bible says he was. [John 1:1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word ,was God. It is very clear that Our Lord preexisted in a divine state....the word of God....the spokesman, as it were.
He became the begotten, human Son of God. [John 3:16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. He became flesh and blood. [John 1:14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Do you know what the word begotten means? It means to sire...to procreate...to impregnate. In other words, Jesus as a begotten son of God had not yet been born of God. When he resurrected from the dead.....to life everlasting, he was then born of God. Mary was never begotten of God. Her father was Heli [Luke 3:23]. She was born human and died human and still rests in her tomb. At the resurrection.....she then also will be born of God. Mary is no more a member of a pagan trinity than Huckleberry Hound. Your position is totally unbiblical.....mine is not.
Now, if you DON'T believe that Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity, then you believe in Nestorianism, a heresy that claims that Jesus was just a human man and not God.
Well....as you can see by my above statements, I don't believe in Nestorianism either. My only belief is in the Word of God. It's a pity you folks rely so much on your fallible Magesterium as they never get it right.
Why, I do declare!
What's funny about your statement above is that I disagree with most of what these folks (you mentioned) stand for also. You Catholics are not alone in your error!
You are, of course, correct. I apologize for not notifying you.
Thus, then, you lend even more credence to my statements that there are quite possibly millions of different interpretations of Holy Scripture, each claiming Divine inspiration as to the correctness of their interpretation, each differing either subtly or grossly, and therefore demonstrating that the claims are wrong.
The Bible itself says that one cannot have private interpretation of Scripture; Jesus says that His Church is the pillar of Truth; therefore it remains that the Church itself is the Authority that Jesus left on Earth. Any repudiation of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is a repudation of Him. Regardless of the frantic scrambling to somehow put His Church's legitimacy into question.
The only source that has told the world that the Bible is authentic and genuine is the Catholic Church. It compiled it, it preserved it and it has passed it out to the world. It is the keeper and the disseminator. The Sabbath Day was changed to Sunday under its authority. Because it has the authority. Christmas Day was decided upon because it had the authority to specify it. Ditto Easter. Ditto the Sacrament of Reconciliation (the forgiveness of sins). And so on.
Joe the Preacher setting up a storefront church in a strip mall doesn't. Creating his own church. Which is against Scripture.
Joe the citizen sitting in his own house reading the Bible on his own, creating his own theology based upon his current mood, doesn't.
We, the members of Church of Christ, invite all. It truly is the Universal Church of Jesus Christ, open to all who seek Him. Stop struggling against Him. Stop struggling against your own self. Accept His word and His way. Stop trying to create your own. In 2000 years, we've seen so many people think that they are up to creating their own way. All failing. So what makes so many people today think that they can succeed? Hubris can be the only answer.
Ah, I think I am beginning to understand you better.
You believe that Jesus Christ was human during His lifetime, and only human.
His miracles were done - how? Was he simply a channel through which God worked, like a magician's wand?
Are you then further saying that Jesus is in a state right now that all who are saved will be in?
http://www.fisheaters.com/water.html has a nice web page on Holy Water, its history and usage.
My understanding of Holy Water is that it is an aid, like the Crucifix or Cross is an aid. It is not God in itself, but aids us in our striving towards God.
Someobdy needs to examine how Hebrew forms superlatives. "Tall are you among men" MEANS, "You are REALLY TALL!" or possibly "You are the tallest man." So they taught me when I was in school.
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