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Deliver Us From Evil
CNN ^ | 1/08/07 | Amy Berg

Posted on 01/08/2007 5:34:25 PM PST by dcnd9

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"Deliver Us From Evil" is the story of Father Oliver O'Grady, the most notorious pedophile in the history of the modern Catholic Church. Completely lacking in moral fiber and devoid of any sense of shame or guilt, O'Grady used his charm and authority to violate dozens of faithful Catholic families across Northern California for more than two decades. His victims ranged from a nine month-old infant to the middle-aged mother of another adolescent victim.

Despite early warning signs and complaints from several parishes, the Church, in an elaborate shell game designed to avoid liability and deflect criticism, lied to parishioners and local law enforcement, while continuing to move O'Grady from parish to parish.

Over the years, O'Grady successfully exploited mothers and fathers in order to get to their children. His penchant for sexual mayhem was as essential to him as breathing, and internal Church documents prove that since 1973, he raped and sodomized with the full knowledge of his Catholic superiors.

Remarkably, "Deliver Us From Evil" filmmaker Amy Berg tracked down Father O'Grady and persuaded him to participate in the making of her film. O'Grady's account of his years in various Northern California parishes is chilling and he tells his story without remorse or self-reflection. Also included in the film is never-before-seen footage of the deposition of Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony and his former second-in-command, Monsignor Cain. She also interviews canon lawyer and medieval historian Fr. Thomas Doyle, former priests, lawyers and the abuse survivors themselves.

Director: Amy Berg Writer(s): Amy Berg Cast: Father Oliver O'Grady Release Date: October 13 2006 Official Site: Not Available Distributor: Lionsgate Genre: Documentary


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; pedophilepriest
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To: klossg; Gamecock

The difference in the Southern Baptist, we don’t have a hierarchy that would move them around. Our horizontal structure is such that if someone is doing something wrong, they’re out. I can assure you word gets around and that person won’t find another job.

This is not true in all Protestant groups who have a hierarchical structure like the Catholics. Just ask the Anglicans about the problems with these structures.

To simply think that this happens in “all” groups is simply admitting that no one wants to deal with the problem.


21 posted on 05/14/2007 12:42:22 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: klossg; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; AlbionGirl; ksen
This exchange only proves that evil is on earth and uses religion sometimes.

That I agree with.

But you would think that at some point a true church would stand back and say "Wait a just a minute..."

So that leaves the question to be answered: why are pro-abortion politicians still welcome at communion? Is it because abortion rules are really there to keep the poor oppressed and don't apply to the rich and powerful?

I'm really not a conspiracy guy, but on this one I really have to wonder.

22 posted on 05/14/2007 12:47:29 PM PDT by Gamecock (FR Member Gamecock: Declared Anathema By The Council Of Trent)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The DVD explains how the Vatican moved O'Grady around the state, from one parish to another for decades, even promoting him to pastoring his own church AFTER accusations of sexual assault had been made by several children.

Not quite, Doc.

The Vatican is not directly involved in the posting of Catholic clergy. That responsibility rests with the successive bishops of the archdiocese, one of whom would have been Mahony, the current cardinal-archbishop of LA and the former bishop of Stockton.

Many of us were hopeful that he might have been handed a stint in the hoosegow for obstruction of justice in this whole affair, but alas, it has not yet come to pass.

23 posted on 05/14/2007 12:56:10 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: HarleyD; Gamecock
I didn't say all Catholics are perfect. And I don't condemn all Baptists or Protestants because of sins of some.

Our horizontal structure is such that if someone is doing something wrong, they’re out.

Right. You guys never sin. Especially the ministers. Never any cover ups. Perfect communion of persons in every way. It is like perfection on earth. I guess some of us Christians don't even need to die to go to heaven.
24 posted on 05/14/2007 12:59:53 PM PDT by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: HarleyD
This is not true in all Protestant groups who have a hierarchical structure like the Catholics. Just ask the Anglicans about the problems with these structures.

Are you suggesting that the presence of rotten apples in the hierarchy implies that the concept of hierarchy should be done away with? That's a rather silly solution, if you don't mind me saying so.

"Hierarchies" exist at all levels of secular and religious society and are essential. The military and the government are both hierarchies. They wouldn't function without it. Indeed, your family is a hierarchy. At least I hope so, unless the kids are on the same level as the parents.

Furthermore, the absence of a hierarchy can be just as conducive to the covering up of malfeasance if there is nobody of sufficient character or authority to stand up to it. To whom does one go with a complaint? Who has the clout and the ability to enforce rulings?

Clearly, neither a hierarchy nor its absence is a guarantee against corruption and its cover up.

25 posted on 05/14/2007 1:08:44 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Gamecock; HarleyD
So that leaves the question to be answered: why are pro-abortion politicians still welcome at communion? Is it because abortion rules are really there to keep the poor oppressed and don't apply to the rich and powerful?

Our beloved Jesus spoke thus about the Kingdom of Heaven: Mt 13:25-29 - "But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. ... So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? (sounds like your question Gamecock) He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them."

I do not like the fact that there are Pro-Abort Catholics. They bum me to say the least. I pray for them and talk with them about it when I get the chance. You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick ...

I'm really not a conspiracy guy, but ...

Your words and other posts speak for themselves on this topic.
26 posted on 05/14/2007 1:10:28 PM PDT by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: Pyro7480; Dr. Eckleburg
What isn’t surprising is your blindness to the Hollywood’s agenda against the Catholic Church, which is often the only one standing up aginst their secular agenda. You’ll use anything to further your little cause.

um wasn't the Passion of the Christ a successful Catholic movie ?

What agenda?, Ive been on the religion threads for years, if anything, she has a beef with Arminianism

27 posted on 05/14/2007 1:17:33 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The DVD explains how the Vatican moved O'Grady around the state

If that's what it said, then it's already pretty confused.

Bishops move priests from one parish within their diocese to another. The Vatican gets involved if a priest transfers from one diocese to another, but it's a rubber stamp if both bishops involved are in agreement. The guilt for moving this joker around is at the feet of the bishop(s) involved, not the Vatican.

... Mahony and his assistant, Monsignor Cain ... [cough]

28 posted on 05/14/2007 1:21:46 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: marshmallow
The Vatican is not directly involved in the posting of Catholic clergy.

You should see the DVD. Ratzinger was briefed on the situation and obviously, his wishes were carried out as far as what transpired, from the 1970's to the present.

29 posted on 05/14/2007 1:23:57 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MHGinTN
I find myself asking the air, "How can the Catholic Church claim Apostolic Authority when such evil is so entrenched and protected within the Chruch?" I suppose I should just shut up that inner voice and thank God for Luther.

Well, we can and do certainly thank God for Luther and Calvin and all Reformers who reclaimed the Gospel truth that man is justified by the one-time, perfect, God-ordained atonement of Jesus Christ alone.

30 posted on 05/14/2007 1:27:09 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Pyro7480

Blame the messenger. The RCC has been doing that for centuries.


31 posted on 05/14/2007 1:28:34 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Ratzinger was briefed on the situation and obviously, his wishes were carried out as far as what transpired, from the 1970's

You mean he was being briefed on the posting of clergy in California when he was Archbishop of Munich? I don't think so.

Maybe this DVD is a load of horsehockey. But of course, anything that trashes Rome is okay with you.

32 posted on 05/14/2007 1:30:09 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

When the messenger has questionable motives, and frames things a certain way, it’s worth pointing out, regardless of your slogans.


33 posted on 05/14/2007 1:31:06 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Campion
But of course, anything that trashes Rome is okay with you.

Exactly.

34 posted on 05/14/2007 1:31:45 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: AlbionGirl
Don't know if you remember or not, but when the zero tolerance thing was convened in Texas, governor Keating of Oklahoma was on some panel to help oversee and/or navigate the conference. He resigned after about a week or so. I would imagine that he did so because he didn't want his name linked with efforts that were so manifestly lacking.

Keating is shown on the DVD. His report was issued and ignored. No surprise there.

The documentary does an excellent job of showing that the RCC protects the priestly class because the RCC believes the priestly class to be closer to God than the laity, a privileged group of men who can do just about anything they want and get away with it under the guise of the cloth.

But God will not be mocked, and each will answer for his sins, just like the rest of us.

I hope you see the DVD. It is devastatingly specific.

35 posted on 05/14/2007 1:34:54 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl
There have been books written about the meaning of Jesus comment to Peter about 'upon this rock I will build my Church.' I have contemplated it often.

RELIGION FORUM RESEARCH PROJECT:
GOD IS THE ROCK

36 posted on 05/14/2007 1:40:04 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: marshmallow; HarleyD
Clearly, neither a hierarchy nor its absence is a guarantee against corruption and its cover up.

Which is why the Scriptural, Presbyterian, diagonal form of church governance is optimal. 8~)

37 posted on 05/14/2007 1:45:12 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You should see the DVD. Ratzinger was briefed on the situation and obviously, his wishes were carried out as far as what transpired, from the 1970's to the present.

If Mahony actually did what then Cardinal Ratzinger suggested, it would mark a truly historical moment. It would be an absolute first. He's made a career out of ignoring Vatican directives and suggestions.

They can't have it both ways.

They can't cultivate a liberal American Church which flouts Vatican directives and makes its own rules and then throw up their hands in innocence and say "I was only following orders" when things go wrong and the chickens come home to roost.

38 posted on 05/14/2007 1:45:21 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: AlbionGirl
Don't know if you remember or not, but when the zero tolerance thing was convened in Texas, governor Keating of Oklahoma was on some panel to help oversee and/or navigate the conference. He resigned after about a week or so. I would imagine that he did so because he didn't want his name linked with efforts that were so manifestly lacking.

Fact check. Keating was the chairman of the national committee. He was on it for a year, not a week. He resigned after he made a comment comparing some bishops' obfuscatory behavior to that of Mafiosi (I'm paraphrasing) and one bishop complained publicly.

That bishop's name would be ... Mahony.

39 posted on 05/14/2007 1:46:19 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Did this DVD mention that Rome said back in the early 1960's that homosexuals, even chaste ones, were not to be ordained to the priesthood ... and the American bishops ignored that directive?
40 posted on 05/14/2007 1:47:50 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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