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'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480

'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children

By John-Henry Westen

NEW YORK, December 4, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A review of New Line Cinema's The Nativity story by Fr. Angelo Mary Geiger of the Franciscans of the Immaculate in the United States, points out that the film, which opened December 1, misinterprets scripture from a Catholic perspective.

While Fr. Geiger admits that he found the film is "in general, to be a pious and reverential presentation of the Christmas mystery." He adds however, that "not only does the movie get the Virgin Birth wrong, it thoroughly Protestantizes its portrayal of Our Lady."

In Isaiah 7:14 the Bible predicts the coming of the Messiah saying: "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel." Fr. Geiger, in an video blog post, explains that the Catholic Church has taught for over 2000 years that the referenced Scripture showed that Mary would not only conceive the child miraculously, but would give birth to the child miraculously - keeping her physical virginity intact during the birth.

The film, he suggests, in portraying a natural, painful birth of Christ, thus denies the truth of the virginal and miraculous birth of Christ, which, he notes, the Fathers of the Church compared to light passing through glass without breaking it. Fr. Geiger quoted the fourth century St. Augustine on the matter saying. "That same power which brought the body of the young man through closed doors, brought the body of the infant forth from the inviolate womb of the mother."

Fr. Geiger contrasts The Nativity Story with The Passion of the Christ, noting that with the latter, Catholics and Protestants could agree to support it. He suggests, however, that the latter is "a virtual coup against Catholic Mariology".

The characterization of Mary further debases her as Fr. Geiger relates in his review. "Mary in The Nativity lacks depth and stature, and becomes the subject of a treatment on teenage psychology."

Beyond the non-miraculous birth, the biggest let-down for Catholics comes from Director Catherine Hardwicke's own words. Hardwicke explains her rationale in an interview: "We wanted her [Mary] to feel accessible to a young teenager, so she wouldn't seem so far away from their life that it had no meaning for them. I wanted them to see Mary as a girl, as a teenager at first, not perfectly pious from the very first moment. So you see Mary going through stuff with her parents where they say, 'You're going to marry this guy, and these are the rules you have to follow.' Her father is telling her that she's not to have sex with Joseph for a year-and Joseph is standing right there."

Comments Fr. Geiger, "it is rather disconcerting to see Our Blessed Mother portrayed with 'attitude;' asserting herself in a rather anachronistic rebellion against an arranged marriage, choosing her words carefully with her parents, and posing meaningful silences toward those who do not understand her."

Fr. Geiger adds that the film also contains "an overly graphic scene of St. Elizabeth giving birth," which is "just not suitable, in my opinion, for young children to view."

Despite its flaws Fr. Geiger, after viewing the film, also has some good things to say about it. "Today, one must commend any sincere attempt to put Christ back into Christmas, and this film is certainly one of them," he says. "The Nativity Story in no way compares to the masterpiece which is The Passion of the Christ, but it is at least sincere, untainted by cynicism, and a worthy effort by Hollywood to end the prejudice against Christianity in the public square."

And, in addition to a good portrait of St. Joseph, the film offers "at least one cinematic and spiritual triumph" in portraying the Visitation of Mary to St. Elizabeth. "Although the Magnificat is relegated to a kind of epilogue at the movie's end, the meeting between Mary and Elizabeth is otherwise faithful to the scriptures and quite poignant. In a separate scene, the two women experience the concurrent movement of their children in utero and share deeply in each other's joy. I can't think of another piece of celluloid that illustrates the dignity of the unborn child better than this."

See Fr. Geiger's full review here:
http://airmaria.com/


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholics; christmas; mary; movie; nativity; nativitystory; thenativitystory
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To: Blogger

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2,381 posted on 12/20/2006 2:47:22 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: wmfights
Yeah. But the key thing to remember is this...

There will be no further Revelation

66 "The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ."28 Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called "private" revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ's definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept "revelations" that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such "revelations".

2,382 posted on 12/20/2006 2:55:01 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: blue-duncan
LOL...As Chairman of ABE Ministries (Against Basically Everything), I am delighted to refuse your invitation
2,383 posted on 12/20/2006 2:58:47 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Blogger
LMAO So what? They's NUTZ

David Koresh was a sola scripturist. Blogger, where is your compound?

2,384 posted on 12/20/2006 3:05:13 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: Blogger
Um, who are you to think your personal opinions - and numerous errors in sola scriptura - are normative?

The actual Bible Teaches Jesus established His Church upon Peter, not you.

The actual Bible Teaches the Church is Jesus (see what He said to Saul)

The actual Bible Teaches Who hears you hears me

And, yet here you come trying to bring us another Gospel...

Blogger, what does the actual Bible teach about one who comes bringing another Gospel?

2,385 posted on 12/20/2006 3:11:16 AM PST by bornacatholic
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To: P-Marlowe; Salvation; NYer; adiaireton8; Kolokotronis; spunkets; Blogger; xzins; blue-duncan; ...
"God would not be a trinity, unless He was born of woman."... "In order for God to be a trinity, the man part must exist."

This gets ranked with the immaculate hymen as something entirely new to me. I had no idea that this would be RC teaching.

I've pinged some other RC's (and one Ortho) to see if they believe this.

Personally, I don't think Spunkets is right about RC teaching.

2,386 posted on 12/20/2006 4:44:21 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: The_Reader_David; wmfights
If you take that attitude, I'll ask you to stop using our book. [:-)=====

LOL!

2,387 posted on 12/20/2006 5:00:15 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: kosta50; Blogger; annalex
The MIGCM is a heresy and its author is Dominic Sanchez Falar of Cebu City, Philippines. I am not certain how many "followers" he has. His greatest "strength" is the Internet, which he floods with his agendas.

There was a few in Ames, Iowa while I was in college in 96-97. Granted they are no more Roman Catholic than my dog is, but they presented themselves as such.

2,388 posted on 12/20/2006 5:07:53 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: spunkets; kosta50; bornacatholic
So, I take it that you do not believe in the Nicene creed. You know, where it talks of the Son being eternally begotten and all that.
2,389 posted on 12/20/2006 5:12:17 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: xzins
Gee whiz. That one is Bizarre.
I guess what this person is getting at is that there would be no God the Son without the incarnation. Thus, it is a denial of the eternal preexistence of the Son. Nevermind that the Bible refers to Him as the creator. Nevermind that when earth was created, God said "Let US make..."

Is this normative RC teaching?
2,390 posted on 12/20/2006 5:19:43 AM PST by Blogger
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To: Blogger; spunkets; Salvation; NYer; P-Marlowe; Kolokotronis
Normative RC teaching

I will argue with my RC brothers and sisters over all kinds of things if I think they're wrong, but it's not helpful to ascribe this to them until some of the more knowledgable RCs sign onto it.

My guts tell me that spunkets is entirely wrong on this and is grossly misrepresenting Catholic teaching.

2,391 posted on 12/20/2006 5:24:45 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: bornacatholic
borncatholic The CONFESSION of Peter was what Christ established His church upon, else the rock that Christ built His church upon is dead and buried.

See these comments by some folks you may recognize. Are they preachers of another Gospel as well?

"'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church;' that is, on the faith of his confession." (A Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church, Oxford: Parker, 1844; Homilies of S. John Chrysostom on the Gospel of Matthew, Homily 54.3)

Cyril of Alexandria (d. 444 A.D.) wrote: "Now by the word 'rock,' Jesus indicated I think the immovable faith of the disciple." (Commentary on Isaiah IV.2, M.P.G., Vol. 70, Col 940.)

Because thou hast said unto me, 'thou art the Christ the Son of the living God;' I also say unto thee, 'Thou art Peter.' For before he was called Simon. Now this name of Peter was given him by the Lord, and in a figure, that he should signify the Church. For seeing that Christ is the rock (Petra), Peter is the Christian people. For the rock (Petra) is the original name. Therefore Peter is also called from the rock; not the rock from Peter; as Christ is not called Christ from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. Therefore he saith, 'Thou art Peter and upon this rock' which thou hast confessed, upon this rock which thou hast acknowledged, saying, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God' will I build my Church' that is upon Myself, the Son of the living God, 'will I build My Church.' I will build thee upon me, not myself upon thee . . . For men who wished to be built upon men, said 'I am of Paul; and I am of Apollos; and I of Cephas,' who is Peter. But others did not wish to be built upon Peter, but upon the Rock, said,'But I am of Christ.' And when the Apostle Paul ascertained that he was chosen, and Christ despised, he said, 'Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?' And, as not in the name of Paul, so neither in the name of Peter; but in the name of Christ.; that Peter might be built upon the Rock, not the Rock upon Peter." (Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956, Volume VI, St. Augustine, Sermon XXV!.1-2, p. 340)

The church is the Bride of Christ. It is NOT Christ. Jesus doesn't say that the church is Himself. The RC Religion calls Mary the church as well. The church is the makeup of all believers everywhere in every century. Of course, you will not hear this because you have shut your ears off to anything but what has been drilled into your head.

As to who I think I am, I am a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ who takes Him at His word. My question is, who are you to think that we shouldn't? He said the Holy Spirit would guide us into all things. John said we have no need of a teacher to teach us these things. Repeatedly we are commanded to search the Scriptures and told what the Scriptures say. Other than one debatable incident that I can recall, all appeals are made to Scripture. Scripture is where we will find the truth.
2,392 posted on 12/20/2006 5:32:19 AM PST by Blogger
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To: bornacatholic; Quester; kosta50
Yes. Of COURSE. Jesus KNEW His brothers and sisters would remain unbelievers even AFTER they saw Him after the Resurrection so he sent ol Mom to John. It makes sense once we just break it down...

I know you are being good-naturedly sarcastic, but what you say about breaking it down is correct. :) God already has very specific plans for ALL of us. Even though James and Jude became great Church leaders after the Resurrection, it just wasn't God's plan that they be in charge of Mary's welfare.

Now, who was the ONLY Apostle who wasn't martyred by execution, thus living the longest life? What a coincidence, it was John. Mary could have easily been alive and in need after all of the others were gone. It really does make sense once we break it down. :)

2,393 posted on 12/20/2006 5:46:38 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: wmfights
I know most of the RC's on this thread are pretty knowledgeable. However, if you ask the average RC what Immaculate Conception means they will tell you it is about Jesus being sinless. A great example of how when the language is corrupted heresy creeps in.

Sadly, there is some truth to that, and that is our fault. Unfortunately, the bishops often turn to administrators and "knowledgeable Catholics" are not as active with other Catholics as we should be. Apparently, some of them spend lots of time here going in circles with separated brothers when we should be better evangelizing those around us...

Merry Christmas Regards

2,394 posted on 12/20/2006 5:52:09 AM PST by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: Diva
Then why did Moses choose celibacy?

I'm curious. That's an interesting factoid. Where did you learn that? Thanks,

tom

2,395 posted on 12/20/2006 6:02:02 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: TomSmedley; Diva

Considering that Moses had a wife and kids, he wasn't celibate. Maybe once he came back to rescue the Hebrews.


2,396 posted on 12/20/2006 6:05:20 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: bornacatholic

"As Chairman of ABE Ministries (Against Basically Everything), I am delighted to refuse your invitation"

Well now, with that august office, you are probably one of us in spirit if not by attitude.


2,397 posted on 12/20/2006 6:26:21 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: spunkets
God is real. That means He's subject to the physics of both the world He lives in and the world He created

Huh? God is subject to physics?

2,398 posted on 12/20/2006 6:29:26 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Blogger
Mother of God doesn't really mean one who gave God his beginning.

Yes it does.

You still don't understand the doctrine. Read the books.

-A8

2,399 posted on 12/20/2006 6:30:30 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: P-Marlowe
Maybe Joseph accidentally touched Mary and died and that is why he wasn't mentioned after the incident when Jesus was 12. And maybe Jesus wore gloves when he healed people.

LOL! That has to be it. Rules is rules.

2,400 posted on 12/20/2006 6:33:25 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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