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To: Swordmaker
I think that this is it here.


31 posted on 06/09/2006 7:41:38 PM PDT by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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THANK YOU!!


32 posted on 06/09/2006 8:48:50 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: NYer; GregoTX; StJacques; wagglebee; monkapotamus; Alex Murphy; exdem2000; Suzy Quzy; ...
Fiirst of all, RE: Reply #31, GregoTX and Suzy Quzy, that picture and the one attached to the article are both of the "Veronica's Veil" relic and reliquary that are kept in the Vatican in Rome, not the Manoppello Veil, which is housed in the Sanctuary of the Holy Face, in Manoppello (Literally "Haystack"), Italy, which is about 150 miles north of Rome.

Since I had not visited this topic in sometime (like about five years) I decided to go digging. Here is what I have found.

I find I was somewhat wrong in my discussion above... there has been more scientific work done on the Manoppello Veil that I was not aware of... and it proves that it is not as Pfeiffer describes... and in fact probably has identified WHAT it is, HOW it was created, and WHO it is, and WHO did it! Not only that, the work of art that it is was spoken and written about by its creator and its owner contemporary with its creation... along with a description of the work.

Source of much of this information is the following PDF file by Roberto Falcinelli. Check out the photographs at the end.

The Veil of Manoppello: work of art or authentic relic?

This is still research in progress but it looks very solid. As an aside, Albrecht Dürer is one of the "suspects" among those who maintain the Shroud of Turin in a "self portrait" by an artist of the period.

36 posted on 06/09/2006 10:15:29 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!")
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To: GregoTX

Wow... I'm not sure if what I'm looking at is the image; it's not what I expected it to look like at all; for instance, the veil hardly covers all of it... and, of course, it looks nothing at all like that sily, cartoonish image that's already been posted. But it DOES look a LOT like the shroud, including the moustachio (aw, hack, I'll spell it mustache and you'll all know what I mean.)

But my eyes are very good at seeing images in chaos; I also see a dove (OK, actually, it looks more like an eagle) rising above his brow which I'm sure someone would've mentionned if it were objectively present.


61 posted on 06/10/2006 11:28:58 AM PDT by dangus
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To: GregoTX

Nevermind... I just saw monkapotamous' comparison... it's there all right... and Wow, it looks exactly the same!


62 posted on 06/10/2006 11:29:47 AM PDT by dangus
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To: GregoTX

Veronica's veil is displayed annually in St. Peters basilica - I am led to believe! - have you any idea which date?


81 posted on 02/14/2007 3:36:09 AM PST by Webbiemars
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