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To: NYer; GregoTX; StJacques; wagglebee; monkapotamus; Alex Murphy; exdem2000; Suzy Quzy; ...
Fiirst of all, RE: Reply #31, GregoTX and Suzy Quzy, that picture and the one attached to the article are both of the "Veronica's Veil" relic and reliquary that are kept in the Vatican in Rome, not the Manoppello Veil, which is housed in the Sanctuary of the Holy Face, in Manoppello (Literally "Haystack"), Italy, which is about 150 miles north of Rome.

Since I had not visited this topic in sometime (like about five years) I decided to go digging. Here is what I have found.

I find I was somewhat wrong in my discussion above... there has been more scientific work done on the Manoppello Veil that I was not aware of... and it proves that it is not as Pfeiffer describes... and in fact probably has identified WHAT it is, HOW it was created, and WHO it is, and WHO did it! Not only that, the work of art that it is was spoken and written about by its creator and its owner contemporary with its creation... along with a description of the work.

Source of much of this information is the following PDF file by Roberto Falcinelli. Check out the photographs at the end.

The Veil of Manoppello: work of art or authentic relic?

This is still research in progress but it looks very solid. As an aside, Albrecht Dürer is one of the "suspects" among those who maintain the Shroud of Turin in a "self portrait" by an artist of the period.

36 posted on 06/09/2006 10:15:29 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!")
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To: Swordmaker

I thought one couldn't even tell that a body was visible on the Shroud of Turin until about 100 years ago....x-ray? .....the two look remarkably alike.....I'm not buying the artist bit. I am going by the two side by side pictures, not the one that looks like it was a Raphael.


43 posted on 06/09/2006 10:51:20 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the ping!


55 posted on 06/10/2006 8:06:37 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Swordmaker

Sorry about posting the wrong picture. I wast aware that there was two veils called Veronica's Veil.


65 posted on 06/10/2006 11:42:12 AM PDT by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Swordmaker

Recently the Capuchin friars website added an english translation of Fr. Pfeiffer’s reply to Falcinelli which was originally published in italian in the official journal of the shrine of the Holy Face. I hope that all who have read Falcinelli’s paper will be able to read what Fr. Pfeiffer has to say. There are a number of German and Italian scientists who are dedicating themselves to research on this amazing icon. I myself visited the shrine recently and honestly have a hard time understanding how anyone who has seen it for more than five minutes could think that it was a painting. But if it is a painting, let’s have more of them. I’ll pay whatever price it takes. http://www.voltosanto.it/Inglese/dettagliofnti.php?x1=17


87 posted on 01/11/2008 2:09:49 PM PST by droichead (Appreciation for what each Christian can accomplish in Christ)
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