Posted on 05/29/2006 6:28:25 AM PDT by truthfinder9
I often hear skeptics point to the belief in the global flood as a reason to not believe Christianity. I also see "Christian" creationist groups condem other Christians who believe the local flood is the literal interpretation. It's time we start telling "Christian" groups like ICR and AIG to stop turning people away from the Bible and tell them to stop their childish, immature attacks on other Christians (AIG recently refused to be subject to review, now there's the making of a cult!). And it's time for Christians to stop blindly believing everything they are told, just because it comes from other Christians.
Why the Local Flood is the Literal View
LOL!!!
Got any more?
Ever notice that the second day is the only day on which God didn't see anything good? So not only did He want to set up the pattern of the Sabbath, but He also wanted us to know that even the Almighty hates Mondays. ;^)
Ok, I get it.
"Oh, in addition to the eight human beings in the Ark there was a ninth survivor, who clung to the outside and was fed by Noah through an aperture of some kind after he swore an oath to serve Noah's descendants. This was King `Og,"
Do you do any writing for "24"?
"Shamelessly stolen from the Internet.,"
Baloney! You stole them from the Retired Army Chaplain's Joke Book(KJV).
Any other version is a perversion.
The Ultimate Differential Theory of US Armed Forces (Snake Model)
Upon encountering a snake in the Area of Operations (AO)
Airborne: Lands on and kills the snake.
Air Force, O-6 and above: "Get that damned snake off the fairway!"
Armor: Runs over snake. Never knows it,as well as where he is on the battlefield. Continues directly ahead wondering what all those new buttons in his turret do.
Army Aviation: Has GPS ten digit grid to snake. Stands off at a range greater than any other weapon system and destroys snake with precision fires at a cost equivilant of one Mercedes 350SEL. Returns to base for fighter management and a "cool one".
Army Shrink. Attempts to get snake to explain its sexual feelings about its mother.
Chaplain. Tries to get snake to attend services, mend its ways.
Combat Controllers: Guides snake elsewhere.
Combat Engineer: Studies snake. Prepares in depth analysis based on obscure 5 series FM about how to defeat snake using counter mobility assets. Complains that maneuver forces don't understand how to properly conduct doctrinal counter-snake operations. (Engineer School tries to hide the fact that M9 ACE proves ineffective against snakes).
Field Artillery: Kills snake with massive Time On Target barrage with three Forward Artillery Brigades in support. Kills several hundred civilians as unavoidable collateral damage. Mission is considered a success and all participants (i.e., cooks, mechanics and clerks) are awarded Silver Stars.
Infantry: Snake smells them, leaves area.
Military Intelligence, G-2: Sanke? What snake? Only four of 35 indicators of snake activity are currently active. We assess the potential for snake activity as LOW.
Judge Advocate General (JAG): Snake declines to bite, citing professional courtesy.
Marines, ForceRecon: Follows snake, gets lost.
Marines, Infantry: Kills snake by accident while looking for souvenirs. Local civilians demand removal of all US forces from Area of Operations.
Mech Infantry: Runs over snake, laughs, and looks for more snakes.
Military Intelligence, S-2: Reports to ground troops that snake is a non-combatant. Six Infantry wounded. MI states that if the ground forces would have read the nesting diagram provided in the 24 page enemy intel report, they would have known the snake was a possible threat.
Military Police, Criminal Investigation: Handcuffs snake's head to its tail, reads it its Miranda rights, then proceeds to beat snake to a pulp with night stick.
Missileers, Air Force: Lays in target coordinates to snake in 20 seconds, but can't receive authorization from National Command Authority to use nuclear weapons.
Military Police, Field: Snake safely infiltrates rear area of operations.
Navy SeaBees: Build snake elaborate rec room, complete with secret still.
Navy, SEAL: Expends all ammunition and several grenades, then calls for naval gunfire in failed attempt to kill snake. Snake bites the SEAL, and dies of salt water poisoning. Hollywood makes film in which SEALS kill Muslim extremist snakes.
Navy, Surface Action Group: Fires off 50 cruise missiles fro several ships, kills snake and makes presentation to Senate Appropriations Committee on how Naval forces are the most cost-effective means of anti-snake force projection.
Ordnance: IDs snake as having improper scales. Deadline snake and order parts against snake. Parts come in 15 days later but the snake has been upgraded to FMC due to scrounging of parts through improper channels.
Para-Rescue: Lands on snake upon descending, thereby injuring it, then feverishly works to save the nake's life.
Pilot, A-10: Has Global Positioning Satellite coordinates to snake. Can't find snake. Returns to base for refuel, crew rest and manicure.
Pilot, Air Force, B-52: Pulls ARCLIGHT mission on snake, kills snake and every other living thing within two miles of target.
Pilot, Air Force, F-15: Misidentifies snake as enemy Mil-24 Hind helicopter and engages with missiles. Crew chief paints snake kill on aircraft.
Pilot, Air Force, F-16: Finds snake, drops two CBU-87 cluster bombs, and misses snake target, but gets direct hit on Embassy 100 KM East of snake due to weather (Too Hot also Too Cold, Was Clear but too overcast, Too dry with Rain, Unlimited ceiling with low cloud cover etc.) Claims that purchasing multimillion dollar, high-tech snake-killing device will enable it in the future to kill all snakes and achieve a revolution in military affairs.
Pilot, Air Force, Fighter, Generic: Mis-identifies the snake as a HIND and engages it with missiles. Crew Chief paints snake on airplane.
Pilot, Air Force, Transport: Receives call for anti-snake equipment, and delivers two weeks after due date.
Pilot, Army, AH-64 Apache: Unable to locate snake, snakes don't show well on infrared. Infrared only operable in desert AO's without power lines or SAM's.
Pilot, Army, HH-53 Jolly Green Giant: Finds snake on fourth pass after snake builds bonfire, pops smoke, lays out flares to mark Landing Zone. Rotor wash blows snake into fire.
Quartermaster: Encounters snake, then loses contact. Can not identify who owns snake by hand receipts. Orders new snake through supply channels. Request is denied by higher authority; issuing the unit a snake will bring the manager to a zero balance; one snake must remain on hand at all times as per their boss' guidance.
Ranger: Plays with snake, then eats it.
Signal, Enlisted: Tries to communicate with snake . . . fails despite repeated attempts. Complains that the snake did not have the correct fill or did not know how to work equipment a child could operate.
Signal, Officer: Informs the commander that he could easily communicate with the snake using just his voice. Commander insists that he NEEDS to videoconference with the snake, with real-time streaming positional and logistical data on the snake displayed on video screens to either side. Gives Signal Corps $5 Billion to make this happen. SigO abuses the 2 smart people in the corps to make it happen, while everybody else stands around, bitches, and takes credit. In the end, GTE and several sub-contractors make a few billion dollars, the two smart people get out and go to work for them, and the commander gets what he asked for only in fiber-optic based simulations. The snake dies of old age.
SJA: Swear they saw something like that on the Discovery Channel . . . spend weeks arguing if it was a snake or not.
Special Forces: Makes contact with snake, ignores all State Department directives and Theater Commander Rules of Engagement by building rapport with snake and winning its heart and mind. Trains it to kill other snakes. Files enormous travel settlement upon return.
Supply: (NOTICE: Your anti-snake equipment is on backorder.)
Transportation Corps: "Snake? What snake? We were sleeping in the truck."
War Correspondent. Decides snake is patriotic nationalist agrarian reformer being molested by imperialist U.S. forces, asks snake for directions to nearest bar. If bitten by snake, charges U.S. troops with neglect of duty to protect freedom of the press.
Again, God is not in any geometric dimensionality neither spatial nor temporal. He is timeless, spaceless. That is the entire point of in the beginning. For more on beginnings: Time before Time
And for a higher dimensionality approach with two temporal dimensions: five dimensional relativity, two times
And for Freeper comments related to subject of geometry vis-à-vis matter: Mysteries of Mass
It is illogical (and unnecessary) that the Father would enter His creation before He created it. The Son, however, was in the beginning (John 1) everything (both the spiritual and physical creation) was made by Him and for Him.
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven. Col 1:12-20
But perhaps our approach is different?
Whenever there seems to be a conflict between Scripture and Creation, my presumption is that the failing is my own and not the indwelling Spirit, Scripture or Creation. (Romans 1:20-21, Psalms 19)
So I pray for understanding. The Holy Spirit is the only leader I trust (Romans 8, I Cor 2, John 15-17). I eschew all the doctrines and traditions of men whether Calvin, Arminius, the Pope, Billy Graham, Joseph Smith, etc. And He never fails me. As my eyes pass over the words, He brings the Scriptures alive within.
And concerning Creation, I also pray to know everything that He wants me to know but no more - then I research the science, math and so forth.
IMHO, it always comes down to our worldview on two points: (1) how we know what we know and how sure we are that we know it, and (2) our concept of all that there is.
On the first, I value above - and am more certain of - Spiritual knowledge than all other types of knowledge whether sensory perception, logic or whatever. Freeper Investigation on the subject.
Thus there is never a conflict the Spirit brings the Word alive through His indwelling. I accept His confirmation of them, including all the miracles, without hesitation or reservation.
On the second, I am a philosophical Realist (as compared to a Nominalist). To a realist, a tree falling in the forest makes a sound even if no one is around to hear it; universals such as threeness, redness, etc. exist.
For me, that which can be observed by microscope to telescope, matter in all its motions, etc. is but a subset of all that there is. Geometry exists and the mathematician comes along and discovers it
Likewise there are numerous non-spatial, non-temporal, non-corporeal existents such as spirit, geometry, consciousness, qualia (likes, dislikes, pain, pleasure, etc.) which are manifest in space/time geometry (regardless of dimensions) even when they also exist beyond all space/time geometry (in timelessness, spacelessness).
IOW, I am consciouslessly aware that I exist in timelessness even while yet in the flesh:
In sum, all that there is includes not only the spiritual and physical Creation but more importantly, God.
Cite?
Ya ever heard of sexual immorality? It's mentioned quite a bit in the Bible.
Homosexuality falls under that definition.
Here's another theory: floods happen worldwide.
Maybe because they don't understand why God would hide the evidence of a global flood.
I think he's trying to spam (ahem) I mean say that being a homo is alright with Jesus.
Can't believe nobody has mentioned Bob Ballard's "local flood" theory! I like his take:
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/blacksea/ax/frame.html
God's bumper sticker:
"Flood Globally, Ark Locally."
There is a difference between hiding something and leaving no evidence of it. Fod expects us to accept his miracles on faith. Faith is the evidence of things unseen. So if you see something, you don't need to exercise faith.
We have Moses' testimony that the flood covered all the earth and killed all flesh. We have Jesus testimony that what Moses wrote was true.
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (John 5:45-47 KJV)
We have the sure word of God that the entire earth was flooded and that all flesh was destroyed except that which was on the ark. If there appears to be evidence to the contrary then we are misreading the evidence. If there is no evidence, it is because God left none. One other thing, God doesn't have to answer to you or me. If, in fact, he decided to hide the evidence of the flood, what business is it of yours? Your job is to believe on him and upon his Son. If you don't believe the writings of Moses.....
Once again you put your foot in your mouth, everything I "cut and pasted" were things I wrote (Didn't we explain this before?). You continue to refuse to answer any of my points, which is not suprising. Instead you resort to snide comments and questioning people's honesty. Can you make any arguments that aren't emotional or laced with logical errors?
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