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Missing link a Joke: Not a Transition to Anything

Posted on 04/06/2006 5:16:18 AM PDT by truthfinder9

There's a couple of problems with this "missing link" that recent articles have been promoting. Some of the articles also mention this new "link" is "like Archaeopteryx, the famous fossil that bridged the gap between reptiles and birds." Here's the problem with these fossils labeled as "transitionals" :

It has long been predicted that fossils should reveal many organisms “in transition” between different types. What the record does reveal is a history of mass extinctions and sudden appearances of new complex types. After each extinction (brought about by various mechanisms such as impact events), hundreds and sometimes thousands of life forms appear in their final form without transitions.

Millions of year’s worth of fossil layers should produce consistent and numerous transitional fossils if evolutionary theory is correct. The fossils do not produce such evidences. The most popular transitional debate is over the possible link between birds and dinosaurs. Dinosaur fossils that are similar to birds, or birds that seem similar to dinosaurs, are held up as transitionals. There are a couple problems with this debate that are usually glossed over.

First, defining these, or any, fossils as transitionals is based largely upon appearance. Determining the relation of various life forms used to be chiefly based on these appearances, also known as homology. However, we can find similar features between many very different animal types. Exactly what is the duck-billed platypus a transition from or to? In fact, many types of animals originally thought to be related or descended from the same ancestor — such as two types of river dolphins which look virtually identical — have been shown through genetics to have developed independently. Genetics is revealing that homology is often a poor indicator of relation.

Another point of contention over dinosaur-to-bird fossils is that in spite of similarities between certain types of birds and dinosaurs, their differences represent an impassable gulf. This gulf is known as biochemical complexity or irreducible complexity. The biochemical systems of any organism are extremely complex and interdependent. Remove or damage one system, many others are affected and the organism will die or have a greatly reduced life span. The origin of new, complex biochemical systems, such as those needed to create the avian lung or flight itself, cannot be created piecemeal without endangering the organism or killing it.

This is why evolution’s idea of cumulative steps producing new traits, which in turn are supposed to produce entirely new life forms, is problematic. Creating such a new form of life requires a complete and simultaneous change of major and minor biochemical systems. Small, singular changes are more apt to be ignored and larger ones seen as defects by the organism. What kind of mechanism could produce the structural changes in a dinosaur to gradually or suddenly allow it to become bird-like? Evolutionists do not know.

Also realize that whether or not these transitionals are indeed transitions is often based on who is defining the fossil. Is this fossil simply a bird-like dinosaur or a dinosaur-like bird? Or is it really a transition? If we were to assume for a moment that these fossils are transitional forms, we still have the serious problem known as the temporal paradox. These supposed transitional forms are in the fossil record after the first known, fully formed, undisputed bird fossils. Also consider that because the “transitionals” are fully formed in all their components, they are not in transition by definition. No partial developments indicating a future transformation. The logical conclusion is that we cannot consider these fossils transitions to anything.

In the end, the problems with changing from one complex system to another is the simplest reason of why the fossil record is devoid of undisputed transitions. Consider one last example, the giraffe. We do not find many fossils attesting to the “evolution” or “transition” of the giraffe from earlier ancestors. This does not stop evolutionists from trying to explain its origin. Its long neck and legs were supposedly formed to overcome a need to feed off trees with each generation having slightly longer necks and legs. This height introduces the problem of making it difficult for the giraffe to drink by creating pressure changes in the circulatory system when it bends its neck to reach the ground.

Without an exceedingly complex system to control pressure changes, the brain would hemorrhage and the giraffe would die when it bent over to drink water. This system had to develop simultaneously with the gradual expansion of the neck from generation to generation. Assuming for a moment that each giraffe could indeed pass on its stretched neck (produced by trying to reach higher branches) to the next generation, exactly how would this produce the advanced pressure control system to keep the giraffe alive? Evolution cannot explain the development of this necessary survival feature in the giraffe. The astute observer may also conclude that if giraffes so badly needed to reach trees to survive, they would have died long before they grew long necks.

So this new "transitional" story is just like previous ones in that it doesn't explain the appearance of complex, fully-formed animals. Indeed, how can a fully-formed, complex animal be a transitional? It's simply wishful thinking on the part of Darwinian Fundamentalists.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: apologetics; creation; darwinfundies; design; evolution; fossils; missinglink; origins; science; transitional

1 posted on 04/06/2006 5:16:22 AM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9

"Exactly what is the duck-billed platypus a transition from or to?"

I have yet to hear evolutionists explain the d-b platypus. It really is a fascinating creature but seems not to have evolved at all. Hmmmmm.....:)


2 posted on 04/06/2006 6:06:40 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: truthfinder9

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/cerc/danoff-burg/invasion_bio/inv_spp_summ/Clarius_batrachus.html

And we've had walking catfish for years and years. I don't see what the big deal is!


3 posted on 04/06/2006 6:09:39 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: truthfinder9
Some proto-Giraffes had longer necks AND better circulatory systems, and they prospered by having more leaves to eat. The proto-Giraffes with shorter necks OR unimproved circulatory systems did not have as much to eat, or died of heart trouble, and so did not prosper.

The longer neck wasn't created by any 'need', it was a case of a by-chance longer neck (and a by-chance better circulatory system) improving some proto-Giraffes' ability to exploit a food supply and then passing their neck and circulatory system genes on to their progeny.

Personally, I find ID to be a reasonable idea, but evolution is a pretty bulletproof theory. The author of the above article is just being willfully ignorant.

4 posted on 04/06/2006 6:29:44 AM PDT by Grut
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To: truthfinder9
You could be provided evidence of evolution by Jesus himself descending from the heavens and you wouldn't believe it so why waste time trying to disprove something you don't understand?

Just keep on proclaiming that "God did it". It's easier than trying to find proof either way.

5 posted on 04/06/2006 7:46:28 AM PDT by jess35
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To: jess35
Guillermo Gonzalez & Jay W Richards, The Privileged Planet.

Evolution is an interesting theory. So is Intelligent Design.

"If I knew God I'd be Him".

6 posted on 04/06/2006 10:14:40 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: jess35

You Evolutionists are all the same. I categorize evolution with Alien abductions and Elvis sightings in that certain individuals are so thoroughly convinced of it, and yet can’t back it up with any evidence that sticks. You swear that it’s real but your frustration grows as the fact that there is no evidence becomes clear. It is so delicious to watch you squirm as your precious world-view is challenged by common sense. Feeling threatened, you desperately grasp for anything that vaguely resembles something that might be construed a “evidence for evolution”, no matter how preposterous it may be. It’s absolutely delectable. You say "you wouldn't believe all of the abundance of evolutionary evidence if Jesus himself presented it to you" Show me any evidence and I'll believe it, the problem is it's only biased ramblings.
"the famous fossil that bridged the gap between reptiles and birds."
Oh please...
It was 'famous' and fully accepted by them before they even found it!!! (only it is not what they say it is, any and every fossil that they dig up is "the famous missing link!" Why even dig any more, scientists seem to already know everything about the missing link (exept the fact that it is MISSING!)


7 posted on 04/06/2006 11:02:39 AM PDT by stuntdouble7 (Oh please !)
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To: stuntdouble7
I categorize evolution with Alien abductions and Elvis sightings in that certain individuals are so thoroughly convinced of it, and yet can’t back it up with any evidence that sticks.

ROTFL!!! Pardon me but someone who believes in ID or Creationism comparing science to alien abuctions and Elvis sightings is just too bizarre to be true.

8 posted on 04/06/2006 5:08:28 PM PDT by jess35
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To: Grut

Apparently the article went right over your head. It described how evolution couldn't produce the complex systems in the giraffe, or any giraffe. Evolution, bullet proof? Why is it full of holes then?


9 posted on 04/07/2006 8:12:42 AM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: jess35

I obviously understand it better than you smarty pants. And you obviously haven't picked up any book on ID by scientists who practice more science than the Darwinain Fundies who promote their personal beliefs in lieu of empirical reality.


10 posted on 04/07/2006 8:14:25 AM PDT by truthfinder9
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To: truthfinder9
It described how evolution couldn't produce the complex systems in the giraffe, or any giraffe.

Actually, it described how evolution couldn't produce the nauga. Never heard of a nauga? That's because it died a-borning, as did the quim, wosset, pondicherry and blug. Of all these unlikely creatures, only the giraffe lucked out.

11 posted on 04/07/2006 12:29:22 PM PDT by Grut
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