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Vatican change of heart over 'barbaric' Crusades
UK Times online ^ | March 20, 2006 | Richard Owen

Posted on 03/19/2006 6:44:46 PM PST by prairiebreeze

THE Vatican has begun moves to rehabilitate the Crusaders by sponsoring a conference at the weekend that portrays the Crusades as wars fought with the “noble aim” of regaining the Holy Land for Christianity.

The Crusades are seen by many Muslims as acts of violence that have underpinned Western aggression towards the Arab world ever since. Followers of Osama bin Laden claim to be taking part in a latter-day “jihad against the Jews and Crusaders”.

The late Pope John Paul II sought to achieve Muslim- Christian reconciliation by asking “pardon” for the Crusades during the 2000 Millennium celebrations. But John Paul’s apologies for the past “errors of the Church” — including the Inquisition and anti-Semitism — irritated some Vatican conservatives. According to Vatican insiders, the dissenters included Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI.

Pope Benedict reached out to Muslims and Jews after his election and called for dialogue. However, the Pope, who is due to visit Turkey in November, has in the past suggested that Turkey’s Muslim culture is at variance with Europe’s Christian roots.

At the conference, held at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University, Roberto De Mattei, an Italian historian, recalled that the Crusades were “a response to the Muslim invasion of Christian lands and the Muslim devastation of the Holy Places”.

“The debate has been reopened,” La Stampa said. Professor De Mattei noted that the desecration of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem by Muslim forces in 1009 had helped to provoke the First Crusade at the end of the 11th century, called by Pope Urban II.

He said that the Crusaders were “martyrs” who had “sacrificed their lives for the faith”. He was backed by Jonathan Riley-Smith, Dixie Professor of Ecclesiastical History at Cambridge University, who said that those who sought forgiveness for the Crusades “do not know their history”. Professor Riley-Smith has attacked Sir Ridley Scott’s recent film Kingdom of Heaven, starring Orlando Bloom, as “utter nonsense”.

Professor Riley-Smith said that the script, like much writing on the Crusades, was “historically inaccurate. It depicts the Muslims as civilised and the Crusaders as barbarians. It has nothing to do with reality.” It fuels Islamic fundamentalism by propagating “Osama bin Laden’s version of history”.

He said that the Crusaders were sometimes undisciplined and capable of acts of great cruelty. But the same was true of Muslims and of troops in “all ideological wars”. Some of the Crusaders’ worst excesses were against Orthodox Christians or heretics — as in the sack of Constantinople in 1204.

The American writer Robert Spencer, author of A Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam, told the conference that the mistaken view had taken hold in the West as well as the Arab world that the Crusades were “an unprovoked attack by Europe on the Islamic world”. In reality, however, Christians had been persecuted after the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem.

CONFLICT OVER THE HOLY LAND

Historians count eight Crusades, although dates are disputed: 1095-1101, called by Pope Urban II; 1145-47, led by Louis VII; 1188-92, led by Richard I; 1204, which included the sack of Constantinople; 1217, which included the conquest of Damietta; 1228-29 led by Frederick II; 1249-52, led by King Louis IX of France; and 1270, also under Louis IX

Until the early 11th century, Christians, Jews and Muslims coexisted under Muslim rule in the Holy Land. After growing friction, the first Crusade was sparked by ambushes of Christian pilgrims going to Jerusalem. The Byzantine Emperor Alexius appealed to Pope Urban II, who in 1095 called on Christendom to take up arms to free the Holy Land from the “Muslim infidel”


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Islam
KEYWORDS: churchhistory; crusades; holyland; johnpaulii; popebenedictxiv; reconciliation; vatican
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To: eleni121
Too tempting? The barbarity with which the 4th "crusade" undertook to destroy the Byzantine capital defies logic and belief.

If the Byzantines had managed to present a united front and not continuously and viciously fought against each other, Constantinople might never have fallen to the adventurers of the so-called 4th crusade.

"The soldiery burned libraries in their campfires, and though nominal Christians, they held ribald orgies in Aghia Sophia, while prostitutes performed filthy actions and dances on the very altar."

I suppose the "crusaders" brought the prostitutes with them? Prostitution and all kinds of other lawlessness were a recurring problem in Constantinople.

There was plenty of corruption on both sides to make the sack of Constantinople a blot on the history of Eastern and Western Christendom.
381 posted on 04/14/2006 9:23:30 AM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals regardless of their party affiliation.)
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To: Antoninus

Nothing - even your lame and frankly unChristian excuses - can exculpate the barbaric behavior of the rabble of the 4th "crusade".


382 posted on 04/14/2006 9:43:21 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
Nothing - even your lame and frankly unChristian excuses - can exculpate the barbaric behavior of the rabble of the 4th "crusade".

Who's doing that? These guys were barbaric. But to say that the Byzantines were just pathetic supine victims in all this is ludicrous.
383 posted on 04/14/2006 9:55:47 AM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals regardless of their party affiliation.)
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To: Antoninus

It wasn't the Byzantine Christians who raped and pillaged Rome now was it?

Stop with your blaming the victims tripe.


384 posted on 04/14/2006 10:12:46 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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385 posted on 04/14/2006 10:40:50 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper (..it takes some pretty serious yodeling to..filibuster from a five star ski resort in the Swiss Alps)
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To: madison10
"Jesus was the eldest, it was, until his dying breath, His duty to find the BEST care for His mother. James, Jude, Joses and/or Simon were not it. " So Protestants regard Mary being "full of Grace" as nothing more than a common thing.
386 posted on 06/21/2006 8:36:01 AM PDT by Gotterdammerung
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To: Coleus; firebrand; ELS

Wasn't sure if you had seen this...


387 posted on 06/21/2006 8:37:16 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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