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Vatican change of heart over 'barbaric' Crusades
UK Times online ^ | March 20, 2006 | Richard Owen

Posted on 03/19/2006 6:44:46 PM PST by prairiebreeze

THE Vatican has begun moves to rehabilitate the Crusaders by sponsoring a conference at the weekend that portrays the Crusades as wars fought with the “noble aim” of regaining the Holy Land for Christianity.

The Crusades are seen by many Muslims as acts of violence that have underpinned Western aggression towards the Arab world ever since. Followers of Osama bin Laden claim to be taking part in a latter-day “jihad against the Jews and Crusaders”.

The late Pope John Paul II sought to achieve Muslim- Christian reconciliation by asking “pardon” for the Crusades during the 2000 Millennium celebrations. But John Paul’s apologies for the past “errors of the Church” — including the Inquisition and anti-Semitism — irritated some Vatican conservatives. According to Vatican insiders, the dissenters included Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI.

Pope Benedict reached out to Muslims and Jews after his election and called for dialogue. However, the Pope, who is due to visit Turkey in November, has in the past suggested that Turkey’s Muslim culture is at variance with Europe’s Christian roots.

At the conference, held at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University, Roberto De Mattei, an Italian historian, recalled that the Crusades were “a response to the Muslim invasion of Christian lands and the Muslim devastation of the Holy Places”.

“The debate has been reopened,” La Stampa said. Professor De Mattei noted that the desecration of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem by Muslim forces in 1009 had helped to provoke the First Crusade at the end of the 11th century, called by Pope Urban II.

He said that the Crusaders were “martyrs” who had “sacrificed their lives for the faith”. He was backed by Jonathan Riley-Smith, Dixie Professor of Ecclesiastical History at Cambridge University, who said that those who sought forgiveness for the Crusades “do not know their history”. Professor Riley-Smith has attacked Sir Ridley Scott’s recent film Kingdom of Heaven, starring Orlando Bloom, as “utter nonsense”.

Professor Riley-Smith said that the script, like much writing on the Crusades, was “historically inaccurate. It depicts the Muslims as civilised and the Crusaders as barbarians. It has nothing to do with reality.” It fuels Islamic fundamentalism by propagating “Osama bin Laden’s version of history”.

He said that the Crusaders were sometimes undisciplined and capable of acts of great cruelty. But the same was true of Muslims and of troops in “all ideological wars”. Some of the Crusaders’ worst excesses were against Orthodox Christians or heretics — as in the sack of Constantinople in 1204.

The American writer Robert Spencer, author of A Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam, told the conference that the mistaken view had taken hold in the West as well as the Arab world that the Crusades were “an unprovoked attack by Europe on the Islamic world”. In reality, however, Christians had been persecuted after the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem.

CONFLICT OVER THE HOLY LAND

Historians count eight Crusades, although dates are disputed: 1095-1101, called by Pope Urban II; 1145-47, led by Louis VII; 1188-92, led by Richard I; 1204, which included the sack of Constantinople; 1217, which included the conquest of Damietta; 1228-29 led by Frederick II; 1249-52, led by King Louis IX of France; and 1270, also under Louis IX

Until the early 11th century, Christians, Jews and Muslims coexisted under Muslim rule in the Holy Land. After growing friction, the first Crusade was sparked by ambushes of Christian pilgrims going to Jerusalem. The Byzantine Emperor Alexius appealed to Pope Urban II, who in 1095 called on Christendom to take up arms to free the Holy Land from the “Muslim infidel”


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Islam
KEYWORDS: churchhistory; crusades; holyland; johnpaulii; popebenedictxiv; reconciliation; vatican
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The more I read and learn about Pope Benedict the more I like him. Also, it's interesting to review the time spans of the crusades, given at the end of the article. Even though the dates apparently aren't universally agree upon.
1 posted on 03/19/2006 6:44:50 PM PST by prairiebreeze
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To: onyx; Mo1; Iowa Granny

ping


2 posted on 03/19/2006 6:46:01 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Take the high road. You'll never have to meet a Democrat.)
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To: prairiebreeze
No apologies for the Crusades, at least to the Islamics. They were justifiable and even noble wars of defense against Muslim aggression and conquest.

The Jewish community is owed a deep and heartfelt apology for the behavior of some of the Crusaders, but that is a whole different story.

-ccm

3 posted on 03/19/2006 6:49:00 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: prairiebreeze
The Crusades are seen by many Muslims as acts of violence that have underpinned Western aggression towards the Arab world ever since.
And they see Mohammed the Pedophile as a great man. Who cares what the Muslims believe? They're nuts.
4 posted on 03/19/2006 6:49:39 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: prairiebreeze

Agree 100%. So I wonder when there will be burning of Italian flags in muslim countries?


5 posted on 03/19/2006 6:50:43 PM PST by stm (You can fix a lot of thing s, but you can't fix stupid)
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To: prairiebreeze
The Crusades are seen by many Muslims as acts of violence

And we all know how Muslims cannot stand acts of violence.

6 posted on 03/19/2006 6:51:29 PM PST by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: prairiebreeze

It looks like the Catholic church is going after the Muslims. Someone has to.


7 posted on 03/19/2006 6:51:41 PM PST by tbird5
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To: prairiebreeze

Interesting read. Thanks for the ping.


8 posted on 03/19/2006 6:51:52 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: prairiebreeze

I knew there was a good reason I liked this guy. (Papa Razzi)


9 posted on 03/19/2006 6:54:47 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
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To: prairiebreeze

Good. PJPII meant well, but I think he was mistaken in this policy. Pope Benedict was said from the start to be more of a realist on some of these silly ecumenical issues and especially on Islam.

And, by the way, the Inquisition is not as bad as it is often painted, either. In the period when tens of thousands of witches were being burned in northern Europe, the Italian Inquisition basically said that these women were not witches, just crazy. Even the Spanish Inquisition, which was pretty much under the control of the Holy Roman Emperor and/or the King of Spain, was not as bad as it's usually painted. Or, at least, no worse than the justice you got in most of the rest of Europe at that time. Anyone who has visited the dungeons of some the the European castles and chateaux will recognize that they were not pleasant places.

A Google search will turn up some of the latest historical work on the Inquisition. John Tedeschi's work is especially worth looking at.


10 posted on 03/19/2006 6:56:26 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: prairiebreeze

Hopeless to compare barbarities. . .but we do know the Christians moved foward. . .let us say. . .to a more enlightened world view; whereas the core of Islam. . .and it's adherents. . .have not.


11 posted on 03/19/2006 6:56:59 PM PST by cricket
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To: prairiebreeze
About time somebody grew a pair about the Crusades, if you'll pardon my language. I just got done reading The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades, and it's excellent, a must-read.
12 posted on 03/19/2006 6:58:08 PM PST by Dan Middleton (Radio...Free...Mars)
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To: prairiebreeze

It would be odd and counterproductive if the Catholic Church chose to refight the merits of the crusades. It simply does not translate well into the modern age, and it's irrelevant.


13 posted on 03/19/2006 6:59:50 PM PST by Torie
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To: prairiebreeze

The Christians moved along with time, the Muslims never did.


14 posted on 03/19/2006 7:01:38 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: cricket
Agree. . .we know all too well, how a 'asking for any forgiveness'. . .ie if only framed by a request for a 'pardon' is seen as weakness and loathed by any Muslim, worth his stone-aged, Islamic salt.
15 posted on 03/19/2006 7:02:34 PM PST by cricket
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To: prairiebreeze
There were justifiable reasons for The Crusades.
As detailed in this book:

"Jihad In The West" by Paul Fregosi


Not an easy read, but makes it clear what is down the road for
those who don't fight back and win.
(and not saying The Crusades were executed without some awful mistakes...
just that they were justified after a tsunami of an invasion by
a horde living out an Arabian Bushido code)
16 posted on 03/19/2006 7:02:57 PM PST by VOA
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To: tbird5

It's about freaking time the Church declare the Crusades to have been the defensive counterattacks against rampaging Islam that they were.

Who cares what the muzzies think? Deus Vult!


17 posted on 03/19/2006 7:03:24 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: Iowa Granny

Why is it that journalists and historians conveniently forget the 400 years prior to the crusades? The muslims controlled the mediteranean sea and raided the coast of southern europe for centuries. Just where did that dark pigment find itself into the Spanish and Italian gene pool? By inter-racial dating. I don't think so. Serious scholars have found a strong economic and strategic military motive for these invasions which aimed at reclaiming European control over mediteranean shipping lanes.


18 posted on 03/19/2006 7:04:02 PM PST by Neo_objectivist
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To: Torie

Not sure the intent is to "refight the merits".

I'd be satisfied to just have the record set straight.


19 posted on 03/19/2006 7:04:29 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Take the high road. You'll never have to meet a Democrat.)
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