The more I read and learn about Pope Benedict the more I like him. Also, it's interesting to review the time spans of the crusades, given at the end of the article. Even though the dates apparently aren't universally agree upon.
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To: onyx; Mo1; Iowa Granny
2 posted on
03/19/2006 6:46:01 PM PST by
prairiebreeze
(Take the high road. You'll never have to meet a Democrat.)
To: prairiebreeze
No apologies for the Crusades, at least to the Islamics. They were justifiable and even noble wars of defense against Muslim aggression and conquest.
The Jewish community is owed a deep and heartfelt apology for the behavior of some of the Crusaders, but that is a whole different story.
-ccm
3 posted on
03/19/2006 6:49:00 PM PST by
ccmay
(Too much Law; not enough Order)
To: prairiebreeze
The Crusades are seen by many Muslims as acts of violence that have underpinned Western aggression towards the Arab world ever since.
And they see Mohammed the Pedophile as a great man. Who cares what the Muslims believe? They're nuts.
4 posted on
03/19/2006 6:49:39 PM PST by
peyton randolph
(As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
To: prairiebreeze
Agree 100%. So I wonder when there will be burning of Italian flags in muslim countries?
5 posted on
03/19/2006 6:50:43 PM PST by
stm
(You can fix a lot of thing s, but you can't fix stupid)
To: prairiebreeze
The Crusades are seen by many Muslims as acts of violenceAnd we all know how Muslims cannot stand acts of violence.
6 posted on
03/19/2006 6:51:29 PM PST by
Irish Rose
(Will work for chocolate.)
To: prairiebreeze
It looks like the Catholic church is going after the Muslims. Someone has to.
7 posted on
03/19/2006 6:51:41 PM PST by
tbird5
To: prairiebreeze
I knew there was a good reason I liked this guy. (Papa Razzi)
9 posted on
03/19/2006 6:54:47 PM PST by
ConorMacNessa
(HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
To: prairiebreeze
Good. PJPII meant well, but I think he was mistaken in this policy. Pope Benedict was said from the start to be more of a realist on some of these silly ecumenical issues and especially on Islam.
And, by the way, the Inquisition is not as bad as it is often painted, either. In the period when tens of thousands of witches were being burned in northern Europe, the Italian Inquisition basically said that these women were not witches, just crazy. Even the Spanish Inquisition, which was pretty much under the control of the Holy Roman Emperor and/or the King of Spain, was not as bad as it's usually painted. Or, at least, no worse than the justice you got in most of the rest of Europe at that time. Anyone who has visited the dungeons of some the the European castles and chateaux will recognize that they were not pleasant places.
A Google search will turn up some of the latest historical work on the Inquisition. John Tedeschi's work is especially worth looking at.
10 posted on
03/19/2006 6:56:26 PM PST by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: prairiebreeze
Hopeless to compare barbarities. . .but we do know the Christians moved foward. . .let us say. . .to a more enlightened world view; whereas the core of Islam. . .and it's adherents. . .have not.
11 posted on
03/19/2006 6:56:59 PM PST by
cricket
To: prairiebreeze
About time somebody grew a pair about the Crusades, if you'll pardon my language. I just got done reading The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades, and it's excellent, a must-read.
12 posted on
03/19/2006 6:58:08 PM PST by
Dan Middleton
(Radio...Free...Mars)
To: prairiebreeze
It would be odd and counterproductive if the Catholic Church chose to refight the merits of the crusades. It simply does not translate well into the modern age, and it's irrelevant.
13 posted on
03/19/2006 6:59:50 PM PST by
Torie
To: prairiebreeze
The Christians moved along with time, the Muslims never did.
14 posted on
03/19/2006 7:01:38 PM PST by
mtbopfuyn
(Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
To: prairiebreeze
There were justifiable reasons for The Crusades.
As detailed in this book:
![](http://content-alt.sirsi.net/uhtbin/getenrich/1573922471/COVER_FULL)
"Jihad In The West" by Paul Fregosi
Not an easy read, but makes it clear what is down the road for
those who don't fight back and win.
(and not saying The Crusades were executed without some awful mistakes...
just that they were justified after a tsunami of an invasion by
a horde living out an Arabian Bushido code)
16 posted on
03/19/2006 7:02:57 PM PST by
VOA
To: prairiebreeze
The Fourth Crusade was by far the worst because it was waged against fellow Christians, and it doomed any chance of reunification between the two halves of Christianity.
21 posted on
03/19/2006 7:06:28 PM PST by
pravknight
(Christos Regnat, Christos Imperat, Christus Vincit)
To: prairiebreeze
He said that the Crusaders were martyrs who had sacrificed their lives for the faith. They also sacrificed the lives of thousands of Jews.
22 posted on
03/19/2006 7:07:04 PM PST by
Cinnamon Girl
(OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
To: prairiebreeze
"Historians count eight Crusades, although dates are disputed: 1095-1101"
And for how many centuries did the Muslims wage war against Christians and others prior to the first Crusade? Early Christian history was one of evangelizing (talking) and martyrdom (real victimhood). Early Muslim history was one of conquest and murder.
23 posted on
03/19/2006 7:07:28 PM PST by
ChessExpert
(MSM: Only good for to taking side(s))
To: prairiebreeze
The Crusades were a counterattack. Nothing more.
Had the Muslims not invaded Christian countries, no counterattack would have been necessary. The Crusades were the Muslim's fault.
24 posted on
03/19/2006 7:08:41 PM PST by
Uncle Miltie
(The Prophet Muhammed, Piss Be Upon Him)
To: prairiebreeze
Crusades as wars fought with the noble aim of regaining the Holy Land for Christianity Including parts of France. They went up against Christians who happened to not be Roman. They also sacked Constantinople, which was Christian but not Roman.
28 posted on
03/19/2006 7:12:01 PM PST by
RightWhale
(pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
To: prairiebreeze
"Turkeys Muslim culture is at variance with Europes Christian roots." The Turks were Turkomen impressed and mercenary soldiers who were used by the Muslim heirarchy to invade Anatolia and push out the Greek Christians centered in Constantinople.
It worked, and a bunch of Turkomen from thousands of miles East North East conquered and subjugated Anatolia. Perhaps we should kick their a88es out, and let the Greeks have it back, eh?
29 posted on
03/19/2006 7:12:29 PM PST by
Uncle Miltie
(The Prophet Muhammed, Piss Be Upon Him)
To: prairiebreeze
So much for the asinine approach of "if we're nice to them they will join the 21st century".
Savages, inferior two-legged animals are not moved by the usual passions of civilized humans.
Enough said.
Yes, specially the children!
44 posted on
03/19/2006 7:31:34 PM PST by
Publius6961
(Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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